Advice to vote (From "Maybe Inspiration")

[Dr Exiled]

Let's strike this down first. There is no real Hunter Biden story. There is a Hunter Biden tall tale peddled by Rudy Giuliani, who has apparently lost it. Which media outlet went for the story? The New York Post, over the protests and unwillingness of the people who were forced to write or put their names on the article. It is a story that is so lacking in credibility that Fox News did not pick it up as news.

Biden hasn't denied the story, claiming Russia did it without any proof of Russian involvement. Hunter's former partner says the elder Biden was involved. Then, the media won't cover the story, banning it on Twitter and Facebook, and has reluctantly asked the elder Biden questions about it only in the last day or so. See what Greewald and Taibbi say about it. I think there is a story there.

[Jersey Girl]

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Course of Action #3 - I do think there's a small chance he flees the country before the changeover occurs, though. I wouldn't doubt he get a nice property overlooking the Black Sea or something along those lines. He'll need to find a country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with the US. Wait. Brazil could be on the table, too.

- Doc

He already has that. I did a whole thing on this when you were on break. He holds properties in countries that have no extradition agreements with the U. S. If I were him I'd choose the UAE.

The thing is though, he'd have to slip through White House security. If he could somehow manage that, he's got his own private aircraft to leave on. I'm sure he would be under surveillance (because LE wants his ass if he loses) so far as flight plans are concerned.

There are plans in place RIGHT now to construct a wall around the White House by tomorrow. The wall is supposed to be impossible to scale.

The United States of America should NOT have any of these concerns but we have a criminal in the White House. So yeah. If he loses I expect that to become clear and apparent to those who doubt his criminal mentality and behavior.

I think we've reached the summit of Mt. Who the hell knows.

[canpakes]

So yeah. If he loses I expect that to become clear and apparent to those who doubt his criminal mentality and behavior.

Nope. They would never do that.

[Jersey Girl]

Contemplatively speaking, I have never been more concerned about an election outcome in my entire life and trust me, I've seen a ton. We have an obvious criminally minded malignant narcissist in the White House who if he loses is going to stir up crap for the next three months and even if he is escorted or leaves peacefully from the White House, I am sure he is going to rave his ass off for the rest of his life.

I fully expect that we're going to see the mother of all crap shows. I expect violence and chaos. Sleazy Don is already inciting it in real time.

I think we're about to see how a narcissist responds to failure, the loss of his adoration, his narcissistic supply. He won't think twice about burning the house down as he discards this country in total. Keep in mind that his #1 concern is himself. He's almost definitely facing several indictments or as one reporter put it, "He's a walking indictment", and he's smart enough to know that his own ass is on the line.

I've followed the stories of many a real life narcissist murderer. When their back is up against the wall, they tend to lose their crap and kill. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the POSOTUS (not a typo) torch the entire country with violence through his surrogates--his flying monkeys.

I guess I have nothing more to say about this right now. I'm watching and waiting from out in the sticks. Never been so thankful to live here. Well maybe once during personal crisis. This time it's national.

[Jersey Girl]

So yeah. If he loses I expect that to become clear and apparent to those who doubt his criminal mentality and behavior.

Nope. They would never do that.

Welp. If they don't mind supporting a guy who thinks nothing of damned them over then they deserve whatever the hell happens.

[Res Ipsa]

To claim Obama had “control” of the Senate for two years is a Trumpesque version of reality. The Democrats does not have a filibuster-proof majority, and Mitch took a complete obstructionist position with respect to any proposal from Obama. Even worse, getting even a majority vote in the Senate required the votes of several blue dog democrats who were inclined to vote with Republicans to preserve their seats.

Passing the ACA, which is something rather than the nothing Dr. Exiled claims, required use of the Senate’s reconciliation rules, which allow passage with 51 votes. Still, it barely got passed within the first two years because of the need to placate the blue dogs and get 51 votes.

Obama never had control of the Senate — a handful of conservative Democrats from red states did for two years.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Speaking of getting things done while “they” have control, Trump is still claiming the Hillary Clinton email thing is a jailable offense. His crowds are still chanting, “Lock her up!” Why isn’t she in jail, Dr. Exiled? Why weren’t charges filed by Bill Barr?

Anyway.

The USC poll has Biden at +10. Inb4 O c—— says something dumb about polls not understanding what the USC poll is.

https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/3 ... ads-trump/

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

Biden hasn't denied the story, claiming Russia did it without any proof of Russian involvement. Hunter's former partner says the elder Biden was involved. Then, the media won't cover the story, banning it on Twitter and Facebook, and has reluctantly asked the elder Biden questions about it only in the last day or so. See what Greewald and Taibbi say about it. I think there is a story there.

Why would Biden give the story any oxygen? It should be pretty obvious by now that giving the Trump shitstorm any oxygen is stupid move #1. The party that makes wildly false claims is just creating garbage to force the opposition to respond. At the beginning of Trump's term media analysts advised people not to take Trump's bait. Biden is smart enough not to take the bait. He is doing what the experts advised.

But now he will have that held against him?

Ugh.

The media is clamping down on false stories. They are not "in the bag" for Biden. Fox News did not pick up the story for a reason. That reason is that it was and is a big pile of unsubstantiated dog poop.

Even if there were a story there, it would not negate the fact that Trump is the most corrupt and nepotistic president in modern American history.

With several of Trump's kids parked in the White House or using the presidency to line their pockets RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES, it boggles my mind that anyone is paying any attention to this Hunter Biden/Burisma stuff.

People need to get a sense of proportionality already.

[Res Ipsa]

Let's strike this down first. There is no real Hunter Biden story. There is a Hunter Biden tall tale peddled by Rudy Giuliani, who has apparently lost it. Which media outlet went for the story? The New York Post, over the protests and unwillingness of the people who were forced to write or put their names on the article. It is a story that is so lacking in credibility that Fox News did not pick it up as news.

Biden hasn't denied the story, claiming Russia did it without any proof of Russian involvement. Hunter's former partner says the elder Biden was involved. Then, the media won't cover the story, banning it on Twitter and Facebook, and has reluctantly asked the elder Biden questions about it only in the last day or so. See what Greewald and Taibbi say about it. I think there is a story there.

I read Taibbi. I sometimes read Greenwald. I think both have very strong biases that have interfered with their ability to present this issue in a fair and reasonable manner.

The point of a political smear, especially late in a campaign, is not to prove its truth. It's to change the subject. The more Biden talks about the smear, the less he's talking about campaign issues. He's said he has never been involved in business with family members, including Hunter. And he says he has never discussed Hunter's job with Burma with him. In the absence of actual, credible evidence of Joe Biden engaging in corruption, there is zero reason for him to deny every detail of every claim Rudy Giuliani makes.

This "story" was shopped to Fox News and the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal by the Trump campaign. It was packaged up for them by Rudy Giuliani, who has been desperately hunting for something, anything, to pin on Biden, resorting to telling wild stories and making flat out false allegations. Other members of the traditional media attempted to investigate this story, starting with trying to verify Rudy's evidence. Rudy refuses to let anyone check out the laptop. He won't provide a copy of the hard drive. He won't even provide an actual copy of the e-mails -- just a photo. The computer shop owner won't return calls. The entire basis of the claim that Biden met with the Burisma official is an alleged e-mail from the official to Hunter thanking him for an invitation. There is no evidence that any meeting actually took place. Hunter denied it through his lawyer and Biden through his campaign.

As to the proposed business deal that didn't ever happen, there are e-mails where others clearly wanted Joe to be involved. There is also an e-mail where Hunter emphatically says Joe won't be involved.

There is no evidence that Biden ever used his position as Vice President in a corrupt manner. But there is very good reason to believe that the guy who says he has the evidence is not on the up and up, and that this is a typical last minute smear. There is no reason why a responsible media outlet should pursue these claims when they are deprived of the opportunity to do basic verification of evidence and sources.

[Res Ipsa]

I think there are a few courses of action that Trump can take with the election if it looks like he's going to lose, no matter if it's a blowout or if it's close (it's more likely to be close than anything else).

Course of Action #1 - Trump will declare himself the winner on the 3rd and until his term ends. He'll claim anything other than that is fake news. Whatever the case may be on January 20th, 2021 his term ends and he's out on his ass.
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Course of Action #2 - Trump will incite violence from his followers at his suggestion, inference, or outright urging. He's acutely aware of his criminal liabilities, so he doesn't really have anything to lose if he loses the election. This is likely to be a few lone wolf types, if anything at all. There'll be no civil war because we like pizza delivery, the Internet, and Dr. Shades really, really likes Japanese stuff.
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Course of Action #3 - I do think there's a small chance he flees the country before the changeover occurs, though. I wouldn't doubt he get a nice property overlooking the Black Sea or something along those lines. He'll need to find a country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with the US. Wait. Brazil could be on the table, too.

- Doc

I think there's fourth. Trump quits in a huff, in exchange from a Pence pardon.