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gemli TimErnst 17 hours ago

Most of my friends have been religious, at least nominally so. I grew up in a Catholic town and went to Catholic schools. I have absolutely no problem talking to theists about their religion, and I try not to be insulting, especially if they're bigger than me. If there's a softening, it's probably creeping dementia, exhaustion or a combination of both.

I don't know the ultimate answer to anything, and neither do theists, so we're all in same leaky boat. I'm just glad that my end of the boat isn't sinking.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5190875801
Another good one. but maybe this one takes the cake:
gemli Ian Law 17 hours ago

I say a lot of things. If I'm expected to keep track of them to comment here I'll need a salary with vacation benefits and a Christmas bonus.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5190863160
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Lem wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:04 pm
I must admit, I never heard sections of the Book of Mormon referred to as "Anti-Christ," but maybe my seminary teacher wasn't progressive enough.
I hope I was able to help.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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Some common sense:
gemli Ian Law 18 hours ago

You'd first have to define and demonstrate the existence of the supernatural. How would you do that?

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5190863783
And this one might be over-reaching, but definitely applicable in some cases:
gemli DanielPeterson 16 hours ago

When trying to answer question of ultimate origins, everybody's guaranteed to be wrong. But some of us are more wrong than others.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5190964713
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:55 pm


As I read gemli’s comments I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between his basic arguments and those of the antichrists in the Book of Mormon.

Not to say that gemli may be a nice person and all, but he does come across as an antichrist.

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I'm remembering the flare up a couple months ago when a Mormon guy stumping for Trump compared Trump to Cap'n Moroni. It was the last time I looked into the Book of Mormon. I had to go re-read the story of Cap'n Moroni and realized what a disgusting monster that Moroni was--slaughtering his political opponents and all of that. It was likely, I figure, if Moroni was a real person and the political opponents whom he hated were real, then they were probably not as bad as people as Moroni decided to tell everyone they were. It is, afterall, untrue that they were happy their enemies were coming to kill them and their families. But that's what Moroni said in order to justify his slaughter. And you read how if everyone was as despicable as Moroni then Satan would tremble and hell, you know that place the Mormon's don't believe in, would quake in fear.

We are talking about people after all. If these events in the Book of Mormon really happened, why would God kill someone who preached against him? What's the message our believers are getting when they read that those who thought God was not, should be struck dumb or had the ghost pulled out of them? I mean it's interesting you compare gemli to Book of Mormon figures. Particularly since the figures, if historical, couldn't possibly know anything about modern day science understanding. Or if Joseph and/or company made them up, what might be coming out of these passages that compares to gemli's gems? I would be serious, but I doubt you'd have a good response, so I'll leave the question as rhetorical. And we'll see...maybe, since you brought it up, I might go see what might be said by these Book of Mormon figures that may actually be interesting.
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:26 pm
Lem wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:04 pm
I must admit, I never heard sections of the Book of Mormon referred to as "Anti-Christ," but maybe my seminary teacher wasn't progressive enough.
I hope I was able to help.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Regards,
MG
Why are people today so intent on creating enemies? Is it solely because of these types of scriptural passages?
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:50 pm
dastardly stem wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:43 pm


It may be interesting to read the anti-Christ pages again and then determine who in Joseph Smith" world fit that type of description. Are we talking Korihor, Nehor, umm...who else?
Sherem.

https://www.latterdaylight.com/study-A.I. ... -of-Mormon

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So what about Sherem is like gemli?
And now it came to pass after some years had passed away, there came a man among the people of Nephi, whose name was aSherem.
2 And it came to pass that he began to preach among the people, and to declare unto them that there should be ano Christ. And he preached many things which were flattering unto the people; and this he did that he might boverthrow the doctrine of Christ.
3 And he labored diligently that he might lead away the hearts of the people, insomuch that he did lead away many hearts; and he knowing that I, Jacob, had faith in Christ who should come, he sought much opportunity that he might come unto me.
4 And he was alearned, that he had a perfect knowledge of the language of the people; wherefore, he could use much bflattery, and much power of speech, according to the cpower of the devil.
5 And he had hope to shake me from the faith, notwithstanding the many arevelations and the many things which I had seen concerning these things; for I truly had seen bangels, and they had ministered unto me. And also, I had cheard the voice of the Lord speaking unto me in very word, from time to time; wherefore, I could not be shaken.
6 And it came to pass that he came unto me, and on this wise did he speak unto me, saying: Brother Jacob, I have sought much opportunity that I might speak unto you; for I have heard and also know that thou goest about much, preaching that which ye call the agospel, or the doctrine of Christ.
7 And ye have led away much of this people that they pervert the right way of God, and akeep not the law of Moses which is the right way; and convert the law of Moses into the worship of a being which ye say shall come many hundred years hence. And now behold, I, Sherem, declare unto you that this is bblasphemy; for no man knoweth of such things; for he cannot ctell of things to come. And after this manner did Sherem contend against me
Sherem believed in God but preferred the notion that there is no Christ and held, apparently, to the law of Moses.
And it came to pass that when he had said these words he could say no more, and he agave up the bghost.
He gave up a ghost because he was a religious believer who was fooled by some unseen fellow named Devil. After he confessed some sneaky dude tricked him, he was so unworthy he simply declared he committed the unpardonable sin and then died.

Your scriptures are cute, but you don't believe them do you?
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More of the Sherem story (just after he died in front of everyone):
And when the multitude had witnessed that he spake these things as he was about to give up the ghost, they were astonished exceedingly; insomuch that the power of God came down upon them, and they were aovercome that they fell to the earth.
22 Now, this thing was pleasing unto me, Jacob, for I had requested it of my Father who was in heaven; for he had heard my cry and answered my prayer
Which God is it that listens to the prayer of someone who wishes for the death of someone because of disagreement and hopes all witnesses of the death fall in astonishment when one side of the disagreement dies, convinced, apparently, that someone was wrong?

I mean if God was anything like he was in Sherem's day maybe there'd be reason to believe today?
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dastardly stem wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:57 pm
mentalgymnast wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:26 pm


I hope I was able to help.



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MG
Why are people today so intent on creating enemies? Is it solely because of these types of scriptural passages?
As I said, I’m sure that gemli is a nice guy. Takes his dog for a walk daily, and cleans up after the little guy when he poops on a neighbor’s lawn. But the fact is, gemli preaches anti Christian belief and does so publicly and regularly. I don’t see any reason that he should not fall into the category of being an antichrist.

And in reality, nowadays, those that outwardly take a position towards teaching antichrist positions all over the internet are a dime a dozen. Not as though gemli is anything special in this regard.

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dastardly stem wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:07 pm

Sherem believed in God but preferred the notion that there is no Christ...
I’m thinking that gemli doesn’t believe in Jesus as Son of God.

Are you attempting to show that gemli is something other than what he appears to be?

Is he for Christ or against?

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The inimitable gemli:
gemli > Ian Law

Yes, I do believe he was a dude who lived a while back.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 5190861951
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