The Beginning of the End of Mormonism?

[Gunnar]

It is particularly sad that there are LDS who apparently show greater allegiance to an utterly immoral and corrupt scumbag like Donald Trump than to their Prophet and other church leaders, whom they were taught to believe were ordained of God, and would never lead them astray?

[Jersey Girl]

It is particularly sad that there are LDS who apparently show greater allegiance to an utterly immoral and corrupt scumbag like Donald Trump than to their Prophet and other church leaders, whom they were taught to believe were ordained of God, and would never lead them astray?

LDS shouldn't feel so all alone. Consider this from Facebook.

Franklin Graham
December 14 at 4:06 PM ·
People have asked if I am disappointed about the election. When I think about my answer, I have to say honestly, that I am grateful—grateful to God that for the last four years He gave us a president who protected our religious liberties; grateful for a president who defended the lives of the unborn, standing publicly against abortion and the bloody smear it has made on our nation; grateful for a president who nominated conservative judges to the Supreme Court and to our federal courts; grateful for a president who built the strongest economy in 70 years with the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years before the pandemic; grateful for a president who strengthened and supported our military; grateful for a president who stood against “the swamp” and the corruption in Washington; grateful for a president who supported law and order and defended our police. I’m grateful for a president and a vice president who recognized the importance of prayer and were not ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ. I’m thankful that the president stood against the secularists who wanted to take Christ out of Christmas and that he brought back the greeting “Merry Christmas!” So as we come to the end of this election season, I look back with a grateful heart and thank God for all of these things. It is unfortunate that many people got confused and made the election about personalities rather than the policies of the candidates. President Trump will go down in history as one of the great presidents of our nation, bringing peace and prosperity to millions here in the U.S. and around the world. May God bless him, Melania, and their family, as God leads him to the next chapter in his life.

Listen, I can't say for sure but I think that his father would be astounded by his son's above in light of the last four years.

[Gunnar]

Listen, I can't say for sure but I think that his father would be astounded by his son's above in light of the last four years.

I think you're right. I can't imagine Billy Graham approving of a moral reprobate like Donald Trump.

Nor do I think it likely that the current LDS Prophet, Russel M. Nelson, has a high opinion of Trump either. I suspect that that there are many LDS members who would resign from the church immediately if they knew what their Prophet and Seer, President Nelson, really thought about Trump. Certainly Ajax would leave the Church if he found that President Nelson disapproved of Trump.

[ajax18]

Listen, I can't say for sure but I think that his father would be astounded by his son's above in light of the last four years.

I think you're right. I can't imagine Billy Graham approving of a moral reprobate like Donald Trump.

Nor do I think it likely that the current LDS Prophet, Russel M. Nelson, has a high opinion of Trump either. I suspect that that there are many LDS members who would resign from the church immediately if they knew what their Prophet and Seer, President Nelson, really thought about Trump. Certainly Ajax would leave the Church if he found that President Nelson disapproved of Trump.

Where did President Nelson say he disapproved of Trump?

Biden was refused communion for his pro abortion politics. The Catholic church is not going to accept gay marriage or kids choosing their gender either.

[Gunnar]

Where did President Nelson say he disapproved of Trump?

If President Nelson approves of Trump, he is no Prophet. He is a naïve, extremely ill informed, delusional idiot like you. I find it extremely difficult that someone with his educational background and intellect and moral teachings would be unable to discern what a dishonest, corrupt and immoral piece of excrement Trump is. I would bet that you would be amazed by how many top LDS leaders and BYU faculty members are actually disgusted with much of what Trump stands for and has done.

President Oaks is a highly qualified Attorney and constitutional scholar. I very highly doubt that he finds any more merit in the frivolous, unsubstantiated claims made by Trump's legal teams representing him in his ridiculous lawsuits than the Judges (even the ones appointed by Trump himself), who have almost unanimously shot them down. Even Trump's own legal experts representing him admitted in court that they had no substantial evidence of fraud in the election, despite their PR claims to the contrary in the Media. They knew that what they told the general public were lies that they dared and could not state under oath in the actual trial proceedings, before a judge, without committing perjury. Even Giuliani, when actually testifying in court, under oath, denied that he was claiming that the election was fraudulent.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Then I got the BYU syndrome where I just didn't feel needed.

What does that mean?

- Doc

[Icarus]

Then I got the BYU syndrome where I just didn't feel needed.

What does that mean?

- Doc

He means that's when he was approached....

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[Some Schmo]

Franklin Graham
December 14 at 4:06 PM ·
People have asked if I am disappointed about the election. When I think about my answer, I have to say honestly, that I am grateful—grateful to God that for the last four years He gave us a president who protected our religious liberties; grateful for a president who defended the lives of the unborn, standing publicly against abortion and the bloody smear it has made on our nation; grateful for a president who nominated conservative judges to the Supreme Court and to our federal courts; grateful for a president who built the strongest economy in 70 years with the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years before the pandemic; grateful for a president who strengthened and supported our military; grateful for a president who stood against “the swamp” and the corruption in Washington; grateful for a president who supported law and order and defended our police. I’m grateful for a president and a vice president who recognized the importance of prayer and were not ashamed of the name of Jesus Christ. I’m thankful that the president stood against the secularists who wanted to take Christ out of Christmas and that he brought back the greeting “Merry Christmas!” So as we come to the end of this election season, I look back with a grateful heart and thank God for all of these things. It is unfortunate that many people got confused and made the election about personalities rather than the policies of the candidates. President Trump will go down in history as one of the great presidents of our nation, bringing peace and prosperity to millions here in the U.S. and around the world. May God bless him, Melania, and their family, as God leads him to the next chapter in his life.

And to think there are folks who think I'm too hard on religion.

Holy “F”, what a damned moronic screed that is. It's amazing to me how damned stupid people are under the influence of religion. Abject damned morons.

[Some Schmo]

Group thinking can be uplifting.

I'm sure it is if you're unable to think for yourself.

This sounds to me like the most honest thing you've ever written here. Your entire "intellectual" life seems to originate from other (moronic) people.

[Some Schmo]

Who would have thought that the greatest threat to the Church wouldn't be factual information proving Mormonism's various claims false, but rather.... drum roll.....

Politics!!

I imagine that if we were to look at a Venn Diagram showing the overlap between Mormons and Trump fans, that portion in the middle is likely the main driver of my motivation to leave the church. I had to get away from the damned hypocritical freaks.

If you're a Trump fan, you aren't living the gospel, so you might as well leave the church anyway. You're a hypocrite. No amount of rationalization changes that fact.