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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:36 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:31 pm


I don’t think he’s a Trump supporter. I think he’s a Berner .
Really? He seems to really give the GOP a lot of leeway especially when it comes to the things they say and do, while having a high bar for people on the Left. If that’s the case then... I guess I read him wrong. I guess.

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He is anti-establishment. Establishment Democrats get particular attention because they're the domino that needs to topple for the revolution to take off. It isn't going to happen through McConnell anyway. Plus, Trump is not exactly establishment, either, so he gets a pass as we see here for being a lightning rod for the establishment left. Think about the people in 2016 who supported Bernie and then flipped to Trump. To this crowd Hillary was essentially no different than Jeb Bush. They are all seen as hawkish on war, in the pocket of big business and all the other bigs, and anti-progressive. It's a political fantasy land not too dissimilar to the more libertarian firms one sees to the right of center.
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Ah. I see. I mean, it makes zero sense to me. It’s akin to loving Bannon and anarchist syndicalists and ancaps and authoritarian Leftists because ‘drain the swamp’.

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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:32 am
The claim that Russia interfered in the election in 2016 was often dismissed with guffaws of there being no evidence Russia changed votes or forced people to vote for Trump somehow or other. Which they obviously didn't do.

What they did do, though, is steal emails from the Clinton campaign and then execute a strategy of releasing the information out in regular drips over the last month of the campaign season that served to taint Hillary and played a role in her loss. Was it the only cause? No. But it mattered.
Yes, we agree that the truth matters. However it seems you are taking exception on voter knowing the truth because it was an election year.
por que' ?
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subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:45 am
honorentheos wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:32 am
The claim that Russia interfered in the election in 2016 was often dismissed with guffaws of there being no evidence Russia changed votes or forced people to vote for Trump somehow or other. Which they obviously didn't do.

What they did do, though, is steal emails from the Clinton campaign and then execute a strategy of releasing the information out in regular drips over the last month of the campaign season that served to taint Hillary and played a role in her loss. Was it the only cause? No. But it mattered.
Yes, we agree that the truth matters. However it seems you are taking exception on voter knowing the truth because it was an election year.
por que' ?
Again, you don't seem to know what truth even is. Because someone claimed something that didn't hold up under examination doesn't mean it needs reported on. It isn't limited to election years. It's where we are in the post truth world.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:00 pm
A better model is to allow individuals to have the freedom to do their own fact checking or to listen to whomever is doing the fact checking if they want. Better still is to provide evidence for claims and let the discussion proceed from there.
OK ... please demonstrate how you will apply this method to the folks who believe the following, and what you expect the results will be:
Some QAnon followers believe Trump is left with no choice but to declare martial law, a belief based in part on a series of wildly false news articles that have claimed that Trump is in a secret, ongoing land war with China in parts of the U.S.

A series of fake news articles, YouTube videos and tweets that went viral among QAnon acolytes last week led followers to believe Trump was conducting clandestine military operations on U.S. soil.

The rumors, which started on the website of the conspiracy theorist radio host Hal Turner, claimed that China was quietly sending tanks into Maine through Canada. After a small earthquake shook Maine in early December, the rumor evolved to say the earthquakes were the result of an aerial assault by the Trump administration.

Maine's National Guard said no such battle had taken place.
Alternately, should The NY Times publish this story of a land war in Maine between the US and China just because the story is ‘out there’? Would the Times be doing something wrong in your eyes if they were aware that this claim was making the round amongst QAnon fans but did not choose to reprint it in their own paper?
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subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:45 am
Yes, we agree that the truth matters.
We? Including yourself? Nothing has become more obvious to me from my experience with this forum than the fact that to you, the truth matters very little. If you think that the Truth really matters to Donald J. Trump, you are every bit as delusional as any flat earther, and have just not been paying attention.
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honorentheos wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:52 am
subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:45 am

Yes, we agree that the truth matters. However it seems you are taking exception on voter knowing the truth because it was an election year.
por que' ?
Again, you don't seem to know what truth even is. Because someone claimed something that didn't hold up under examination doesn't mean it needs reported on. It isn't limited to election years. It's where we are in the post truth world.
Remind me where you took this same position with regard to Trump on Russia!, pee tapes, white supremacy, etc and i will gladly take your criticism under consideration.
But this really isn't a question of "truth" but one of information and whether you deserve to receive it or not.
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subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:56 pm
But this really isn't a question of "truth" but one of information and whether you deserve to receive it or not.
Deserve? Lol.
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subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:56 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:52 am

Again, you don't seem to know what truth even is. Because someone claimed something that didn't hold up under examination doesn't mean it needs reported on. It isn't limited to election years. It's where we are in the post truth world.
Remind me where you took this same position with regard to Trump on Russia!, pee tapes, white supremacy, etc and i will gladly take your criticism under consideration.
But this really isn't a question of "truth" but one of information and whether you deserve to receive it or not.
Russian interference in the 2016 election was widely reported on and we are having this discussion about conservative butthurt over fact checking because conservatives know it worked. The GRU were behind the theft of Clinton campaign emails and their steady dissemination into the media feed the last month or so of the election. Don't agree? Explain again why you're butthurt over the media not reporting innuendo about Hunter Biden that didn't hold up to initial scrutiny.

This entire thread demonstrates even conservatives know the Russian interference campaign in 2016 was a thing and tried to replicate it's success in 2020.

As to the pee tape, feel free to go to the old board and find a quote from me that shows I was advancing it as fact. I know I didn't. Why do I know that? Because it would violate my views on how to approach evidence and accusations. I guarantee you won't find me arguing in favor of there being a so-called pee tape.

As to white supremacy, what's your actual concern here? It's not controversial to acknowledge Trump says and does things that fan WS flames including what happened in Charlottesville and later.

It's clear you'll never figure out how you confuse innuendo for fact but I hope pointing it out has been helpful for others.
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:43 pm
subgenius wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:56 pm
But this really isn't a question of "truth" but one of information and whether you deserve to receive it or not.
Deserve? Lol.
Our butthurt buddie doesn't understand that the media vetted the claims through attempts to get access to the emails, laptop, and other information that, had it been provided and checked out, would have been a story that needed to be shared. But once Rudy wouldn't even let the electronic emails be shared except as PDF prints without any metadata included, and the story of the guy who provided the laptop proved suspect, it wasn't information that the public "deserved to receive" as he calls it. It was unproven rumor mongering and dumbassery. I get a big part of the issue for him is that has been the bulk of his media diet for as long as he's been posting on this board at least. But still. Dumbassery is dumbassery.

Journalists doing basic fact checking before reporting seems to really wad his underwear up his rectum. Poor guy, seeing professionalism at work and not knowing what to make of it. But also telling...
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