I am embarrassed for the church

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_bcspace
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Re: I am embarrassed for the church

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or a decent explanation for their racism


What racism?
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Bob:
Open speculation in an official pronouncement that doesn't really take a position.


Speculation huh?
No doubt it is that same speculation that comes from todays LDS leaders on the topic of rights for women and gays..
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010


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So the Church is officially saying they don't know anything about the restriction except that it is over? Well guess what, as long as the Church doesn't step up with a good explanation, people like Dr. Bott are going to try and come up with an explanation


The doctrine, even prior to 1978 was still that we don't know why. For example, the 1969 FP statement:

From the beginning of this dispensation, Joseph Smith and all succeeding presidents of the Church have taught that Negroes, while spirit children of a common Father, and the progeny of our earthly parents Adam and Eve, were not yet to receive the priesthood, for reasons which we believe are known to God, but which He has not made fully known to man."


The 1949 statement didn't answer the question either.
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Re: I am embarrassed for the church

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bcspace wrote:
or a decent explanation for their racism


What racism?


The racism that was practice by the Church in not giving the priesthood to individuals the Church identified by race.
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Re: I am embarrassed for the church

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bcspace wrote:
or a decent explanation for their racism


What racism?


The Dude wrote:
The racism that was practice by the Church in not giving the priesthood to individuals the Church identified by race.


Here we go with another round of 'nailing the jelly to the wall'. Good luck with that, Dude ...
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Re: I am embarrassed for the church

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BC:
The doctrine, even prior to 1978 was still that we don't know why..


Ignorance does not absolve the racist practice..
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010


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Re: I am embarrassed for the church

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And the racism is glaringly obvious in the revelations of Facsimile No.3 wherein Joseph Smith called an Egyptian god a slave just because he's black. So far, no General Authorities (apostles & prophets) have commented on this gross error and made any kind of explanation about the Explanation. Only silly school teachers like dumb-ass Hugh Nibley has said anything but we know that BYU faculty doesn't represent the church and they don't know jack crap about Facsimile No. 3, including the dumb-ass John Gee or Dan Peterson. These guys don't represent the church. I can speak up for the church with just as much authority on these matters as they can and I'm a gay apostate!

Never trust an apologetic Mormon! They are liars and refuse to face truth! Just look at the racism of Facsimile No. 3! Look at bcspace! It's founded on lies to say nothing of all the multiple sex partners for those who enjoyed power at the top. What a corrupt church!

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What racism?

The racism that was practice by the Church in not giving the priesthood to individuals the Church identified by race.


Skin color or ethnicity is never given as a reason for the Ban. Therefore, the Ban cannot possibly have been racist.
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Shulem wrote:
Never trust an apologetic Mormon! They are liars and refuse to face truth! Just look at the racism of Facsimile No. 3! Look at bcspace! It's founded on lies to say nothing of all the multiple sex partners for those who enjoyed power at the top. What a corrupt church!

Paul O


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Look at bcspace!


What lies have I told?
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