None of their scholars have any confidence in their information, it is why all the in-house publications now exist. The outhouse publications won't have them...Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:28 amHales obviously doesn't have much confidence in his apologetic works, otherwise he would be here explaining his reasoning to us. Come here and defend them Bro. Hales. The truth will come out and perhaps souls will be saved from error. You have a duty as a priesthood holder to righteously show us where we are mistaken.
Hales on the Book of Abraham
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hauslern:hauslern wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 10:35 pmHales
Egyptologists tell us Joseph Smith didn’t restore the missing fragments of Fac. 1. Instead, he repurposed them to correspond to the revelation of the Book of Abraham that he had received (just as he had received other revelations).
If the original Egyptian scribe of fac. 1 drew something different that Joseph Smith’s restoration, then we would not expect the Book of Abraham to be written anywhere on that papyri. Likewise, Joseph Smith’s dealings with the other facsimiles would be repurposing, rather than restoring their original meanings (this is obvious with fac. 3 as well).
The critics can say that Joseph Smith thought he was translating fac. 1 and he was wrong. Victory for the critics, but not much of a victory. The Book of Abraham remains a revelation.
If you care to read the BYU Studies issue, you will find other helpful explanatory information."
Where did Hales say this?
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Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:26 pmNone of their scholars have any confidence in their information, it is why all the in-house publications now exist. The outhouse publications won't have them...Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:28 amHales obviously doesn't have much confidence in his apologetic works, otherwise he would be here explaining his reasoning to us. Come here and defend them Bro. Hales. The truth will come out and perhaps souls will be saved from error. You have a duty as a priesthood holder to righteously show us where we are mistaken.![]()
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I suspect this is going to become a new buzzword in Mormon apologetics. But it's not even in Joseph Smith's vocabulary. This terminology is a direct contradiction to what Smith said he was doing. He was not "repurposing" anything pertaining to the Egyptian papyri. He was RESTORING the original to proper form and content. He claimed to literally translate. That is a fact. The apologists be damned for throwing their founding prophet under the bus. Apostates!
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The demand for outhouse publications has dropped off even in MAGA circles. The 1968 Sears Catalogue is still regarded as a classic.
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So, it's the restored repurposed Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Is that what Smith was doing, Brian? Was it also a repurposing of gold plates in order to come up with the Book of Mormon via a catalyst translation?
"Repurposing" is DOA, baby! We are going to have fun destroying that argument and making apologists look like fools.
Hey, Brian, what's the king's name in Facsimile No. 3? Is that also repurposed?
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"Haleserizing"
How fascism starts:
...The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other.”
— Bertrand Russell, Freedom and Government (1940).
...The next step is to fascinate fools and muzzle the intelligent, by emotional excitement on the one hand and terrorism on the other.”
— Bertrand Russell, Freedom and Government (1940).
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Here is a copy of Gee's review
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ynx ... NdM14/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ynx ... NdM14/edit
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May I ask are you able to download a decent copy of Gee's review from my link. I am new are putting things in Google docs.