Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:23 pm
Like I said -justifying 'god blessing slavery, and describing how to go about it'.


Horrific.
I agree.

Now will you answer my two questions?

By the way, does God always get His way in the short term?

Now it’s three questions.

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:15 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:03 pm

Now, to show you can reciprocate, please answer ¥akaSteelhead's question about slavery.
As I told him, I would be happy to look at this question if he answers the two questions I asked him first.

Deal?
Hell no.

This is a breach of good will.
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:12 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:03 pm



Yes, you'd be guilty--but not as guilty as some mass murderer. That's why we have different gradients for different kinds of killing. These gradients are written into law--even the Old Testament Bronze Age laws given to Israel by God.
So there are situational ethics. And they make sense. We have to determine motives, etc.

Do you find it THAT far fetched that God does the same?

I think you are really straining at a gnat to try and make God into an absolute absolutist.

How far do you want to take this?
Those are not situational ethics. They are the ethics of taking a life. Never has all life-taking been seen as being equivalent. Neither by God nor by humans.

Situational ethics have to do with things like: "Don't sacrifice your first born--um, unless God tells you to." "Don't chop off the head of an incapacitated man--um, unless God tells you to." "Don't be a prophet of God who sleeps with the fourteen-year-old housekeeper behind your wife's back--um, unless God tells you to."

By the way, if you can't tell, the situational ethics I'm opposed to are really only those that are exercised by an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God--and his so-called prophets.
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:29 pm
What's so dangerous about a God bounded by ethics?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:41 pm
A God bound by whose ethics?
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:11 pm
His own expressed ethics and laws that he delivers to humankind.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:23 pm
Like thou shall not kill?
Follow the dialogue. How does this answer even make sense?

The question now amounts to "What's so dangerous about a God bounded by his own expressed ethics (that he delivers to mankind)?"

Your answer is "Like thou shalt not kill?" What does that mean in this context?

MG, you're not even trying at a good faith dialogue.
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:28 pm
¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:23 pm
Like I said -justifying 'god blessing slavery, and describing how to go about it'.


Horrific.
I agree.

Now will you answer my two questions?

By the way, does God always get His way in the short term?

Now it’s three questions.

Regards,
MG
So you're telling Steelhead, "You answer my three questions and I'll answer your one question. If I decide to." Right?
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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:56 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:28 pm


I agree.

Now will you answer my two questions?

By the way, does God always get His way in the short term?

Now it’s three questions.

Regards,
MG
So you're telling Steelhead, "You answer my three questions and I'll answer your one question. If I decide to." Right?
Premise 1. God doesn't have to answer questions/prayers if he doesn't want to
Premise 2. MG just had his "god" status restored
Conclusion. MG doesn't have to answer questions/prayers if he doesn't want to

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:29 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:15 pm


As I told him, I would be happy to look at this question if he answers the two questions I asked him first.

Deal?
Hell no.

This is a breach of good will.
You may have noticed earlier I said:

Slavery was a product of its time. Has been throughout human history. Folks have even brought God into it and made Him into a provocateur.

They had their reasons. Not that I agree with them at all.
So would I volunteer? Of course not.

Breech of good will. Sheesh.

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Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:41 pm

By the way, if you can't tell, the situational ethics I'm opposed to are really only those that are exercised by an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God--and his so-called prophets.
So I gathered.

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:53 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:29 pm
What's so dangerous about a God bounded by ethics?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:41 pm
A God bound by whose ethics?
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:11 pm
His own expressed ethics and laws that he delivers to humankind.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:23 pm
Like thou shall not kill?
Follow the dialogue. How does this answer even make sense?

The question now amounts to "What's so dangerous about a God bounded by his own expressed ethics (that he delivers to mankind)?"

Your answer is "Like thou shalt not kill?" What does that mean in this context?

MG, you're not even trying at a good faith dialogue.
Did God not give a command to not kill? I’m sure you can think of some examples where this is a perfect example of situational ethics.

You’re getting a bit snarky. Does that serve a purpose?

I could have easily said that throughout this conversation you’ve been a thick headed numb skull. But I haven’t. It sort of sticks a wedge into the gears.

I think where the problem lies is in regards to a statement you made back a while ago. You seemed be saying that an omnipotent God ought to have the power to change human nature:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:45 am
You’ve heard people, back in your believing days, say something like “The Lord can only work with what He’s got.”
Because it's not like God is omnipotent or anything.
You seem to get hung up on agency and how that might interface with an omnipotent God.

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Re: Mormons ignoring Jesus as quoted in the gospel of Matthew

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malkie wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:04 pm
Morley wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:56 pm


So you're telling Steelhead, "You answer my three questions and I'll answer your one question. If I decide to." Right?
Premise 1. God doesn't have to answer questions/prayers if he doesn't want to.
Heavenly Father, bless me that I’ll have a good day.

You have an auto accident.

Did God answer your prayer. Did he hear it? Is it either/or? Does he really hear ALL prayers?
malkie wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:04 pm
Premise 2. MG just had his "god" status restored
Conclusion. MG doesn't have to answer questions/prayers if he doesn't want to.
I answer more questions put before me on average than say…Marcus…and others I could easily name. Marcus is the most obvious. In fact I think I do a pretty good job considering all the questions that fly my way left and right.

You just want to be snarky and make me look bad. Modus operandi of a good number of people here. It helps the ‘cause’.

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MG
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