Prophets, Revelation, and Extreme Future

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_Inconceivable
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truth dancer wrote:It just seems to me if Christ cared about humankind now would be a good time to help out a little. :-)
~td~

Hi TD, thanks for such a thought provoking post.

I don't think it's Mormon Jesus' style. They (the Mormon Jesus and the Mormon God) don't show up until nearly everything has become far beyond redemption They fix things by destroying people and things (the flood, Sodom, Philistine cities, Nephite cities at Jesus' death, the sunami last year etc.). Before throwing their occasional unhinged rage they expect you to take follow old men that can't be trusted to convey a message that remains consistant.

The Mormon church honestly believes that 19 year old boys have the capacity to convey the Mormon God's pre-tantrum warning message.

The hierarchy does not teach that the world has a future. They believe that the majority of humankind will only become increasingly rotten.

They teach that life as we know it will end "shortly", "nigh at hand", "quickly" etc. - and Jesus will come as a "thief in the night" to fix things for the last time by once again destroying men, women and innocent children. Laying waste to the people that judged boys in business suits to be too young to take seriously.

Their investment is in a second coming that will bring about a utopia that man is incapable of creating on his own. This dream blinds their vision of any hope for new technologies that will bless the earth and it's inhabitants in the next 100 years.
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Hey Inc...

GREAT post!

Something hit me as I was reading your comment... you are absolutely correct, the way the LDS/Christian God handles world challenges is to destroy, slaughter, and wipe out the "wicked" right along with the innocent children, (with the exception of virgin girls whose bodies can be used by the "chosen"), babies, and those with disabilities.

Perhaps, in the minds of Mormon leaders, there is no guidance, revelation, or even opinions on how to prepare for the future because there is no future for which to prepare?

I think you are right about this.

Thanks for your thoughts,

~td~
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The Nehor wrote:Here, I'll pass on this tidbit, "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." A little heads up on what is ahead and how to prepare for it. You are welcome. :)


The fact that you believe this is humorous.
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Thanks TD,

Here's some additional thoughts..

Every time the Mormon God throws his fits of rage (like a sunami, earthquake, hurricane, flood or other natural disaster) - you know, events defined by Mormons as a signs of the times, the Mormon church is there to assist in cleaning up His big messes.

Who does the average Mormon think creates the need for compationate relief? The Mormon God or the Mormon Satan? Are anger, rage and creating human carnage attributes Mormons will be required to emulate as they become Mormon Gods?

What does that say for the character of whoever orchestrates the signs of the times or at very least, has the power to prevent them from occuring?
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Hey Inc,

I have never really considered this point...( fun to have something kind of new on an LDS message board.. LOL).

So yeah, the Mormon God brings all sorts of horrific events that kill and harm innocent people, (to warn them to repent?), the LDS church steps in to help those who survive, and somehow this is all good.

In fact, members believe that prayer can actually convince God to change "his" mind and not show "his" wrath on humans. When prayers don't work, the horror is considered a fine way for God to act, even, as you suggest, an example of future Godhood behavior.

Weird.

Believers praise God as good and loving, but seem to think the devastation God inflicts on humankind is not a problem, nay, it is what all good Gods do, I guess.

Something about this whole "plan" doesn't set well with my experience of reality. Ya know? :sad:

~td~
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Inconceivable wrote:[

I don't think it's Mormon Jesus' style. They (the Mormon Jesus and the Mormon God) don't show up until nearly everything has become far beyond redemption They fix things by destroying people and things (the flood, Sodom, Philistine cities, Nephite cities at Jesus' death, the sunami last year etc.). Before throwing their occasional unhinged rage they expect you to take follow old men that can't be trusted to convey a message that remains consistant.

The Mormon church honestly believes that 19 year old boys have the capacity to convey the Mormon God's pre-tantrum warning message.

The hierarchy does not teach that the world has a future. They believe that the majority of humankind will only become increasingly rotten.

They teach that life as we know it will end "shortly", "nigh at hand", "quickly" etc. - and Jesus will come as a "thief in the night" to fix things for the last time by once again destroying men, women and innocent children. Laying waste to the people that judged boys in business suits to be too young to take seriously.

Their investment is in a second coming that will bring about a utopia that man is incapable of creating on his own. This dream blinds their vision of any hope for new technologies that will bless the earth and it's inhabitants in the next 100 years.


Inc, in your post above and in other posts you keep saying the Mormon Jesus or the Mormon God. Why do you do that? Most of what you write above applies to God and to Jesus without Mormonism's spin on things.

You still seem very angry at the Mormon Church.
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Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Here, I'll pass on this tidbit, "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." A little heads up on what is ahead and how to prepare for it. You are welcome. :)


The fact that you believe this is humorous.


I will try not to find it humorous when you're burning in hell when it does come. It will be hard.
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The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The fact that you believe this is humorous.


I will try not to find it humorous when you're burning in hell when it does come. It will be hard.

The problem is that your attitude is reflected quite commonly by millions of believers. That is why I have a hard time taking Christians seriously.
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Inconceivable wrote:Thanks TD,

Here's some additional thoughts..

Every time the Mormon God throws his fits of rage (like a sunami, earthquake, hurricane, flood or other natural disaster) - you know, events defined by Mormons as a signs of the times, the Mormon church is there to assist in cleaning up His big messes.

Who does the average Mormon think creates the need for compationate relief? The Mormon God or the Mormon Satan? Are anger, rage and creating human carnage attributes Mormons will be required to emulate as they become Mormon Gods?

What does that say for the character of whoever orchestrates the signs of the times or at very least, has the power to prevent them from occuring?


I have noticed that as of late, the Church also takes pains to state that events are not the wrath of God. Such statement were made about the tsunami and about Katrina.
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John Larsen wrote:The problem is that your attitude is reflected quite commonly by millions of believers. That is why I have a hard time taking Christians seriously.


I know. It's an evil desire for revenge and I'm trying to fight it. For most of humanity my prevailing urge is to help them. Merc makes it difficult to want to do the same for him.
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