The Nehor has left the building...

[_Jersey Girl]

What I find problematic in liz's behavior is not that she created a 'secret combination' board separate from MDB.

What I find deceptive is for her to

(1) establish such a place,

(2) lead a defection of her favorite MDB posters, and then

(3) come here and try to mislead us that we've driven off one of her favorite poster that she'll now "miss".

Had liz never made a post here along the lines of the OP of this thread (#3), and I later learned of #(1), I would not have given it a second thought. But then came (#3), and the revelations that followed. Clearly, one writing the OP in this thread hoped that her ##(1) and (2) steps would never come to light. As a consequence of the context ##(1) and (2) give to her #3 OP in this thread, I call BS to that duplicity. #(2) in its own right is disconcerting--particularly by a mod that should have some sense of loyalty, even the smallest modicum of it, to a board (MDB) on which she is a mod.

liz herself would be making tons of hay of such if Juliann had done so, but here liz is having done so herself.

sock,

Firstly, Juliann did just that. She created a board with a relatively exclusive membership.

Secondly, I take exception to the phrase "lead a defection of her favorite posters". There are posters on her board who continue to post on this board. They are simply looking for a different type of interaction than they find on this board. Perhaps a more quiet board where folks aren't badgering the “F” out of them and their ideas can be transmitted and shared in relative peace. I don't know why you think that the posters on Liz's board were "led". They accepted an invitation.

Thirdly, Liz is free to establish a message board anywhere she wishes and with whom she wishes. In this case, I don't believe that it had to do with "her favorite posters". It had to do with people who share common ground.

Why any of you are driving this into the ground is beyond me. When I refer to "badgering the “F” out of them" take a look for evidence of that on this very thread. Perhaps that will help you to understand why some posters chose to accept Liz's invitation to a more friendly environment.

[_Chap]

What I find problematic in liz's behavior is not that she created a 'secret combination' board separate from MDB.

What I find deceptive is for her to

(1) establish such a place,

(2) lead a defection of her favorite MDB posters, and then

(3) come here and try to mislead us that we've driven off one of her favorite poster that she'll now "miss".

Had liz never made a post here along the lines of the OP of this thread (#3), and I later learned of #(1), I would not have given it a second thought. But then came (#3), and the revelations that followed. Clearly, one writing the OP in this thread hoped that her ##(1) and (2) steps would never come to light. As a consequence of the context ##(1) and (2) give to her #3 OP in this thread, I call BS to that duplicity. #(2) in its own right is disconcerting--particularly by a mod that should have some sense of loyalty, even the smallest modicum of it, to a board (MDB) on which she is a mod.

liz herself would be making tons of hay of such if Juliann had done so, but here liz is having done so herself.

sock,

Firstly, Juliann did just that. She created a board with a relatively exclusive membership.

Secondly, I take exception to the phrase "lead a defection of her favorite posters". There are posters on her board who continue to post on this board. They are simply looking for a different type of interaction than they find on this board. Perhaps a more quiet board where folks aren't badgering the f*** out of them and their ideas can be transmitted and shared in relative peace. I don't know why you think that the posters on Liz's board were "led". They accepted an invitation.

Thirdly, Liz is free to establish a message board anywhere she wishes and with whom she wishes. In this case, I don't believe that it had to do with "her favorite posters". It had to do with people who share common ground.

Why any of you are driving this into the ground is beyond me. When I refer to "badgering the f*** out of them" take a look for evidence of that on this very thread. Perhaps that will help you to understand why some posters chose to accept Liz's invitation to a more friendly environment.

Somehow I do not quite recognize the Nehor (whose withdrawal is the topic in the OP) as a quietly serious young man anxious to 'transmit and share his ideas in relative peace'. The only idea he seemed to wish to share (and shared repeatedly) was that critics of his religion were really, really dumb, and were best answered by abusive one-liners. When last seen (before Liz drew the curtains, that is) he was doing the same thing on her board, but this time in front of a handpicked audience of admirers.

Perhaps if Jersey Girl adds a few more breaches of Terrestrial Forum Rule 3* I shall come to understand his perspective better? The more you swear, the more sincere you are, after all.

* "Do not use the "F" or "S" words or any of their many variants. Altering the spelling or substituting a symbol for a character does not give you a free pass to disregard this rule."

[_Blixa]

What I find problematic in liz's behavior is not that she created a 'secret combination' board separate from MDB.

What I find deceptive is for her to

(1) establish such a place,

(2) lead a defection of her favorite MDB posters, and then

(3) come here and try to mislead us that we've driven off one of her favorite poster that she'll now "miss".

Had liz never made a post here along the lines of the OP of this thread (#3), and I later learned of #(1), I would not have given it a second thought. But then came (#3), and the revelations that followed. Clearly, one writing the OP in this thread hoped that her ##(1) and (2) steps would never come to light. As a consequence of the context ##(1) and (2) give to her #3 OP in this thread, I call BS to that duplicity. #(2) in its own right is disconcerting--particularly by a mod that should have some sense of loyalty, even the smallest modicum of it, to a board (MDB) on which she is a mod.

liz herself would be making tons of hay of such if Juliann had done so, but here liz is having done so herself.

I don't think this is entirely accurate, sock. I think #2 in your list is completely off the mark since most people who've posted on liz's board also post here.

I've never thought liz's intentions were much more than what she stated to me and others: the desire for a more "Nom-ish" site than this one in which to talk about topics of mostly Nom interest. Because of that, I never thought I would be much of participant either as a reader or poster.

I can understand the desire to create a "better board." I think a completely open one like this has obvious drawbacks, but it also has a great deal of advantages. I've often thought that if I really wanted a board in which only serious discussion of Mormon history took place, it would have to be invite only. What I would miss out on, though, is the random fun of finding new friends and new perspectives. I suppose that is important enough to me to put up with the high signal-to-noise ratio that comes with this board.

It shouldn't be an either or proposition; that liz wanted two different spaces for her discussion doesn't seem like any kind of "disloyalty" to me.

I appreciate her explanation about the Nehor posts and that topic is pretty much done from my end.

[_sock puppet]

What I find problematic in liz's behavior is not that she created a 'secret combination' board separate from MDB.

What I find deceptive is for her to

(1) establish such a place,

(2) lead a defection of her favorite MDB posters, and then

(3) come here and try to mislead us that we've driven off one of her favorite poster that she'll now "miss".

Had liz never made a post here along the lines of the OP of this thread (#3), and I later learned of #(1), I would not have given it a second thought. But then came (#3), and the revelations that followed. Clearly, one writing the OP in this thread hoped that her ##(1) and (2) steps would never come to light. As a consequence of the context ##(1) and (2) give to her #3 OP in this thread, I call BS to that duplicity. #(2) in its own right is disconcerting--particularly by a mod that should have some sense of loyalty, even the smallest modicum of it, to a board (MDB) on which she is a mod.

liz herself would be making tons of hay of such if Juliann had done so, but here liz is having done so herself.

I don't think this is entirely accurate, sock. I think #2 in your list is completely off the mark since most people who've posted on liz's board also post here.

I've never thought liz's intentions were much more than what she stated to me and others: the desire for a more "Nom-ish" site than this one in which to talk about topics of mostly Nom interest. Because of that, I never thought I would be much of participant either as a reader or poster.

I can understand the desire to create a "better board." I think a completely open one like this has obvious drawbacks, but it also has a great deal of advantages. I've often thought that if I really wanted a board in which only serious discussion of Mormon history took place, it would have to be invite only. What I would miss out on, though, is the random fun of finding new friends and new perspectives. I suppose that is important enough to me to put up with the high signal-to-noise ratio that comes with this board.

It shouldn't be an either or proposition; that liz wanted two different spaces for her discussion doesn't seem like any kind of "disloyalty" to me.

I appreciate her explanation about the Nehor posts and that topic is pretty much done from my end.

Funny, I've never thought of Will Schryver, DCP or The Nehor as NOMish. More like firebrands, in my opinion. There are NOMs, and those invitees are not among them. More accurately, her board is simply 'critic-free', not NOMish.

I would probably agree completely, Blixa, with the rest of your comments but for the fact that liz started this thread, with the OP. The tone and tenor of that was specifically to try to scold those she does not like. Had she wanted to have her cake and eat it too, she simply could have let The Nehor go quietly in the night from MDB--and kept enjoying his wit and one-liners on her private board. She did not, and she did an OP that was deceptive. The possibility of her private board's existence being revealed obviously was not among the factors in her calculus leading to her decision to start this thread and write what she did in the OP.

by the way, I hope when you begin a Mormon history board, I hope it is either open or I am invited.

[_Morley]

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by the way, I hope when you begin a Mormon history board, I hope it is either open or I am invited.

Please invite me, too. At least to lurk and learn.

[_Blixa]

Funny, I've never thought of Will Schryver, DCP or The Nehor as NOMish. More like firebrands, in my opinion. There are NOMs, and those invitees are not among them. More accurately, her board is simply 'critic-free', not NOMish.

I was only remarking on liz's intentions. What her board has or may become, I have no idea.

I would probably agree completely, Blixa, with the rest of your comments but for the fact that liz started this thread, with the OP. The tone and tenor of that was specifically to try to scold those she does not like. Had she wanted to have her cake and eat it too, she simply could have let The Nehor go quietly in the night from MDB--and kept enjoying his wit and one-liners on her private board. She did not, and she did an OP that was deceptive. The possibility of her private board's existence being revealed obviously was not among the factors in her calculus leading to her decision to start this thread and write what she did in the OP.

I think liz probably posted in haste without thinking through the ramifications like a chess master.

by the way, I hope when you begin a Mormon history board, I hope it is either open or I am invited.

I'm pretty certain I will never have time for such a project.

[_sock puppet]

by the way, I hope when you begin a Mormon history board, I hope it is either open or I am invited.

I'm pretty certain I will never have time for such a project.

Damn. I'll never get that BY tutorial.

[_Quasimodo]

I'm pretty certain I will never have time for such a project.

That's sad, I would love to see such a board! Blixa, you're the perfect person to start it. No topic is more compelling than Mormon History. The surface has barely been scratched.

If you ever do decide to "give it a whirl", please invite me (I won't let you down).

[_Yoda]

I would probably agree completely, Blixa, with the rest of your comments but for the fact that liz started this thread, with the OP. The tone and tenor of that was specifically to try to scold those she does not like. Had she wanted to have her cake and eat it too, she simply could have let The Nehor go quietly in the night from MDB--and kept enjoying his wit and one-liners on her private board. She did not, and she did an OP that was deceptive. The possibility of her private board's existence being revealed obviously was not among the factors in her calculus leading to her decision to start this thread and write what she did in the OP.

Sock Puppet, just as a reminder, this was my OP:

For better or for worse, another poster has left us. The Nehor quietly deleted his account and has decided to no longer post with us.

I, for one, will miss his wit, and his perspective.

How was my OP deceptive? It was not meant to be. I WAS saddened that Nehor decided to leave MDB. The fact that he posts on my board is irrelevant to that. My board has a different mix of posters...some from MDB...some are in real life friends. As a member of MDB, I will miss is wit and perspective at MDB.

I think liz probably posted in haste without thinking through the ramifications like a chess master.

Blixa is correct. I'm not sure exactly what you want from me, Sock. Do you want an apology? I've already apologized for the "vultures" comment.

Funny, I've never thought of Will Schryver, DCP or The Nehor as NOMish. More like firebrands, in my opinion. There are NOMs, and those invitees are not among them. More accurately, her board is simply 'critic-free', not NOMish.

First of all, Will Schryver is NOT a member of my board, has never been invited to my board, and would not be welcome there. As far as DCP and Nehor are concerned, you are right about them not being NOM'ish. They are, however, friends of mine, and I invited them based on friendship. As far as my board being "critic-free", there are critics who are members of my board. Again, the critics who are members of my board, are people who I have formed friendships with.

As far as my plotting some mad exodus from MDB, nothing could be further from the truth. If that was really my plan, do you think I would have invited Shades to my board?

Look, I still respect Shades' vision for this board. That's why I have remained a Moderator here. This board has a unique dynamic.

However, I don't see what is wrong with my having and creating a different vision for my board.

[_sock puppet]

However, I don't see what is wrong with my having and creating a different vision for my board.

Neither do I.

As to this thread and the OP, what was your purpose in mentioning this on MDB? The Nehor had left here. He would not see it. Your intended audience of this thread was remaining MDB'Relief Society. The Nehor himself did not feel the need to post an announcement of his departure from MDB.

So what was your purpose if not to scald those with which you disagree here? You would excoriate such behavior by Juliann, and here you are the classic example of her modus operandi.

And no, insincere apologies are the least of my objectives.