El Paso Walmart shooting

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Re: El Paso Walmart shooting

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The NRA has a script for this. After a public massacre the NRA recommends:

1) Say nothing as long as possible.

To be fair, why should "they" be quick to say something? or anything at all?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:2) When forced to comment, insult people for raising the issue: "How dare you stand on the graves of those children to put forward your political agenda?”

to be fair, this rather harsh characterization is mostly true...the related threads on this board often are often initiating and evoking a political agenda in the OP...even your comment here focuses on a political agenda via a political organization...why do you need to even discuss the NRA?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:3) Use friendly press to spread stories about crime that wouldn’t have happened if the victims had been armed: "two to five of those a week.”

to be fair, this is a legit rebuttal to those who use friendly press to spread stories of how gun are bad, guns are racist, and guns are misogynist...because Trump.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:4) Ghost write articles for pro-gun law types to publish: "with their name on it so that it looks organic."

ok, lets all just take a minute to adjust tin foil hats.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:5 Use social media to push videos that show how useful a gun is for self-defence. "We call it like 'the outrage of the week’."

Yes, legit rebuttals and having a broad spectrum of an issue is absurd. got it!

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:It looks like video games are being used as a scapegoat now, too.

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Subs,

Before you chose to reply, did you click on the second link and read the article?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Subs,

Before you chose to reply, did you click on the second link and read the article?

- Doc

Your link from above seems to be down

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363 ... d39934.pdf that is
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RockSlider wrote:Your link from above seems to be down

Works for me, but regardless I'll post it for you:

How to sell a massacre: NRA's playbook revealed
Three-year undercover sting reveals how US' National Rifle Association handles public opinion after deadly gun attacks.

by Peter Charley
25 Mar 2019
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Sydney, Australia - How should you respond to a deadly mass shooting if you are a gun rights advocate?

First, "Say nothing." If media queries persist, go on the "offence, offence, offence". Smear gun-control groups. "Shame them" with statements such as - "How dare you stand on the graves of those children to put forward your political agenda?"

This was the advice the US's most powerful gun lobby gave Australia's One Nation party, according to an Al Jazeera investigation, when representatives of the Australian far-right group sought guidance from the National Rifle Association (NRA) on loosening the Pacific country's strict gun laws.

The NRA's playbook on mass shootings came to light during the course of a three-year undercover sting by Al Jazeera's Investigative Unit. Rodger Muller, an Australian undercover reporter who infiltrated the gun lobbies in the US and Australia, used a hidden camera to record a series of meetings between representatives of the NRA and One Nation in Washington, DC in September last year.

The secretly filmed footage provides a rare inside view of how the NRA deliberates over mass shootings and seeks to manipulate media coverage to push its pro-gun agenda.

Australia's One Nation party, led by Senator Pauline Hanson, has long sought to relax the country's gun laws, which ban almost all automatic and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

The rules, some of the toughest in the world, were introduced in 1996 after a gunman with a semiautomatic rifle killed 35 people in the town of Port Arthur.

Since then, Australia has had no mass shootings where the attackers did not know their victims. However, the NRA has denounced Australia's laws as "not the definition of common sense".

Australia's One Nation seeks US gun lobby help (3:01)

'The graves of those children'

Muller, Al Jazeera's undercover reporter who posed as a gun-rights campaigner, introduced One Nation's Chief of Staff, James Ashby, and the leader of its Queensland branch, Steve Dickson, to the NRA, and travelled with the pair to Washington, DC last year.

Ashby and Dickson were hoping to secure up to $20m in political donations from supporters of the US gun lobby.

In meetings at the NRA's Virginia headquarters, officials provided Ashby and Dickson tips to galvanise public support to change Australia's gun laws and coached the pair on how to respond to a mass shooting.

The best method to handle media inquiries in the wake of a massacre was to "say nothing", according to Catherine Mortensen, an NRA media liaison officer. But if inquiries persisted, she recommended an offensive communications strategy.

That included deflecting public concern by smearing supporters of gun control.

"Just shame them to the whole idea," said Lars Dalseide, another member of the NRA's public relations team. "If your policy, isn't good enough to stand on itself, how dare you use their deaths to push that forward. How dare you stand on the graves of those children to put forward your political agenda?"

Dickson responded: "I love that, thank you".

Then, explaining how the NRA manipulated media coverage, Dalseide told One Nation to enlist the services of friendly reporters.

"You have somebody who leans to your side that worked at a newspaper, maybe he was covering city hall or was a crime reporter," Dalseide said.

"We want to print up stories about people who were robbed, had their home invaded, were beaten or whatever it might be and that could have been helped had they had a gun. And that's going to be the angle on your stories. That's what he's got to write. He's got to put out two to five of those a week."

'Outrage of the week'

Another NRA tip was to ghost-write columns for pro-gun law enforcement officials.

"We pitch guest columns in the local papers," said Mortensen.

"A lot of the times, we'll write them for like a local sheriff in Wisconsin or whatever. And he'll draft it or she will help us draft it. We'll do a lot of the legwork because these people are busy. And this is our job. So, we'll help them and they'll submit it with their name on it so that it looks organic. You know, that it's coming from that community. But we will have a role behind the scenes."


As for social media, the NRA recommended producing short videos that highlight how useful a gun is for self-defence.

"These are hugely popular and they're short little snippets. You know, 'Joe Blow', cashier at the local convenience store, had his firearm with him and protected himself," said Mortensen.

"Those are good because they're short and they kind of get you outraged. We call it like 'the outrage of the week'."

During the same meeting, Dickson told the NRA that "African gangs imported to Australia" were committing rape and burglary in the country, including "coming into the house with baseball bats to steal your car".

To that, Dalseide advised the following: "Every time there's a story there about the African gangs coming in with baseball bats, a little thing you can put out there, maybe at the top of a tweet or Facebook post or whatever, like with 'not allowed to defend their home', 'not allowed to defend their home'. Boom."

The NRA officials named in this report, One Nation, Dickson and Ashby did not respond to Al Jazeera's requests for comment.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA NEWS
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Trump wants to shift the blame to video games and mental illness.
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moksha wrote:Trump wants to shift the blame to video games and mental illness.

We should have universal health care and all doctor's office waiting rooms should only have Nintendo consoles with Mario games. That'll fix it.
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moksha wrote:Trump wants to shift the blame to video games and mental illness.

Trump’s own mental illness, perhaps.
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RockSlider wrote:https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363 ... d39934.pdf that is

Ooooh. That's because 8chan has been de-hosted. Some other company has picked them up, but I don't know when they'll come online because I don't care enough about 8chan to find. :)

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Let's quit beating around the bush: The only way to end these mass shootings is to rid the country of guns.

But how does the country go about confiscating the guns from the people who don't want to give them up?
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Dr. Shades wrote:Let's quit beating around the bush: The only way to end these mass shootings is to rid the country of guns.

But how does the country go about confiscating the guns from the people who don't want to give them up?

I disagree with this premise. You'd only have to ban rapid fire guns like the AR-15, (mass shooters aren't using revolvers) and there are many ways to get rid of them, such as offering to buy them.
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