Final Exit

[_subgenius]

I usually just lurk here, haven't posted in a long time.

Can anyone make sense of this post?

The only reason I bothered posting is that I am a registered nurse and I have watched a lot of people die under a variety of circumstances. I have also taken care of countless people that will live long lives in conditions that I would consider worse than death.

I really don't care for some uneducated, barely literate person spewing word vomit on such an important topic.

Notwithstanding your great anecdote and your fallacy of appealing to authority , i think you make the point quite well.
Why did you become a regustered nurse?
If not for the cash then perhaps it is because, to some yet to be revealed extent, you value human life.
So, by what measure and to what objective limit do you value human life?
And to what purpose is your profession to society?...ir should we all just sit back and let you decide all these matters because "i watch stuff".

[_canpakes]

I usually just lurk here, haven't posted in a long time.

Can anyone make sense of this post?

The only reason I bothered posting is that I am a registered nurse and I have watched a lot of people die under a variety of circumstances. I have also taken care of countless people that will live long lives in conditions that I would consider worse than death.

I really don't care for some uneducated, barely literate person spewing word vomit on such an important topic.

Notwithstanding your great anecdote and your fallacy of appealing to authority , i think you make the point quite well.
Why did you become a regustered nurse?
If not for the cash then perhaps it is because, to some yet to be revealed extent, you value human life.
So, by what measure and to what objective limit do you value human life?
And to what purpose is your profession to society?...ir should we all just sit back and let you decide all these matters because "i watch stuff".

subs, by what measure and to what objective limit do you value human life?

Just a few posts back you were complaining about the possibility of having to incur some expense in disposing of a dead person’s body.

[_moksha]

What i believe is less thought is how limited your scope of "suicide" is...as if the wholesale decriminalization of suicide only applies to terminally ill persons with the means to employ the ceremony of an "assistant" and a family gathered. At which case you are in fact only allowing for a very narrow and limited amount of people who may "choose" your oh-so-noble notion for the ceremony of it all. But yeah, think it out, instead of just feeling it out as you are currently doing.

I think I understand your point. If we limit this consideration to those with a terminal and painful illness, then we are excluding the possibility of ridding ourselves of the undesirables who pollute the genetic purity of the
überlegene Leute im Großen und Ganzen and who create an economic burden to those taxpayers. Very conservative.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

I usually just lurk here, haven't posted in a long time.

Can anyone make sense of this post?

The only reason I bothered posting is that I am a registered nurse and I have watched a lot of people die under a variety of circumstances. I have also taken care of countless people that will live long lives in conditions that I would consider worse than death.

I really don't care for some uneducated, barely literate person spewing word vomit on such an important topic.

Notwithstanding your great anecdote and your fallacy of appealing to authority , i think you make the point quite well.
Why did you become a regustered nurse?
If not for the cash then perhaps it is because, to some yet to be revealed extent, you value human life.
So, by what measure and to what objective limit do you value human life?
And to what purpose is your profession to society?...ir should we all just sit back and let you decide all these matters because "i watch stuff".

I became a nurse because it is in my nature to care for people. You couldn't understand. Being a nurse isn't a job, it is who I am. Helping people die peacefully is part of that job. Hospice is the current model for that. It is a wonderful service for those we cannot save, but I believe assisted suicide would better serve some of the more extreme cases.

Nowhere in my post did I suggest that it was my decision to make. If you knew anything about my profession you would know that I don't make decisions like that. Your ignorance is astounding.

There really is no point in communicating with you. You put words in my post that aren't there and you provide no ideas. Just snark and questions that you think are some kind of clever trap.

[_subgenius]

I became a nurse because it is in my nature to care for people.

Ok

You couldn't understand.

Being a nurse isn't a job, it is who I am.

I gathered that from your "in my nature" statement.

Helping people die peacefully is part of that job.

when dying is their only option? or just whenever they decide to die?
I mean, if someone came to you and said "help me die", would you do it without question?

Hospice is the current model for that.

Agree to an extent. Not just anyone can get Hospice care can they?

It is a wonderful service for those we cannot save, but I believe assisted suicide would better serve some of the more extreme cases.

Ok, this is the part I was asking about..."extreme cases"?

Nowhere in my post did I suggest that it was my decision to make.

I did not say it was...but so far the measure for "that decision" seems to be just as arbitrary - or at least vague.
So, currently whose decision is it? (see also my above question about someone asking for your help to die without question).

If you knew anything about my profession you would know that I don't make decisions like that. Your ignorance is astounding.

Again, I did not say you were the decision maker. As for my ignorance, that is why I am asking questions about the topic. There are obvious personal and emotional implications for this topic, and my interest is in how those resolve themselves with the "decision maker(s)".

There really is no point in communicating with you.

That is certainly one decision you can make.

You put words in my post that aren't there and you provide no ideas.

Ideas for what exactly?
Do I believe I assisted suicide - yes, I do. Do I think a person should receive permission from licensed medical professional - nope. How about assistance from a licensed and liable person.....nope.
You want to die for any reason and can bear the expense, then congrats - you have had a good run.
Society benefits from the natural selection imho...and a society that subscribes to my position also makes it abundantly clear that the value of life is determined by.....well, you know.

Just snark and questions that you think are some kind of clever trap.

I am curious as to why you think there is a trap? what sort of trap?
I can certainly not be held responsible for your conspiracy theories....you accuse me of witchcraft and ignorance, hurumph!

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

There really is no point. He uses phrases like "natural selection" in a way that shows a lack of scientific education. He contradicts himself constantly. He says I wrote things I never wrote... There's just no consistency or logic in anything he says.

He talks about the value of life, but the only clear message in that last post was "I don't care if you off yourself so long as it doesn't cost me a dime"...

[_Jersey Girl]

I became a nurse because it is in my nature to care for people. You couldn't understand. Being a nurse isn't a job, it is who I am.

I am one who knows exactly what you are saying.

[_subgenius]

He says I wrote things I never wrote..

prove this with one actual example, please.

He talks about the value of life, but the only clear message in that last post was "I don't care if you off yourself so long as it doesn't cost me a dime"...

Cool how you opted to not answer the sincere questions but rather chose to fall back on the tried and true emotional attack of the messenger.
Kinda neat how my whole "sit back and let you decide" has come to pass.

[_canpakes]

Cool how you opted to not answer the sincere questions ...

You aren’t one for ‘sincere questions’. KaJ has rightly called you out on that.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

ir should we all just sit back and let you decide all these matters because "i watch stuff".

Again, I did not say you were the decision maker...

Kinda neat how my whole "sit back and let you decide" has come to pass.

Your words...