Didn't the Pyramid Texts originate about 100 to 400 years before the earliest estimated dates for Abraham? Doesn't the Book of Abraham place Abraham between 2000 to 1500 BCE? Could he not have traveled to Egypt and had access to the Pyramid Texts?
Yes, pyramids and sacred texts associated therewith existed many hundreds of years before the so-called Abraham era. And yes, Abraham could have traveled to Egypt and visited the pyramids and accessed sacred texts passed down from the Old Kingdom. But you'll recall that there were only 365 years from the time Noah left the ark to when Abraham went into Egypt! And the Book of Abraham tells us that shortly after the flood a woman (Egyptus) having a Greek name went down and discovered a land under water and therein she founded Egypt and crowned her son as the FIRST king of Egypt. Thus Egypt was founded around 2300 BC!
That's impossible. But Mormon Egyptologists know this and avoid talking about it at all cost. It's a conundrum.
The 2nd and 4th links point to the same article published in two different places. He's not even pretending to pay attention.
But it's even worse than that: the article he cites twice ends with this: "So while the Egyptian word for the sun itself is not the same as in the Book of Abraham, one of the Egyptian words for the sun’s ecliptic (the path of the sun through the sky) as attested in Abraham’s day is."
Even if 'shinehah' is the Egyptian word some apologists want it to be, it still doesn't mean what the Book of Abraham says it does. That is a bullseye, folks, and I am Yosemite Sam.
I saw that there was a duplicate. It is true that Shinehah is used within LDS apologetics almost exclusively. However, the spelling and context in the Coffin Texts earlier known as the Pyramid Texts, dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...align closely with how "Shinehah" is represented in the Book of Abraham.
S-n-xA" (or š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ
Before Smith obtained the papyri, he used 'Shinehah' to mean 'Kirtland, Ohio' and in the Book of Abraham used the very same word to mean 'the sun'.
There are no known examples of Egyptians using 'š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ' to mean either 'the sun' or 'Kirtland, Ohio'.
Are you sure you want to stand by your characterization of this as a 'bullseye'? (Shinehah you crazy diamond.)
I saw that there was a duplicate. It is true that Shinehah is used within LDS apologetics almost exclusively. However, the spelling and context in the Coffin Texts earlier known as the Pyramid Texts, dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...align closely with how "Shinehah" is represented in the Book of Abraham.
S-n-xA" (or š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ
Before Smith obtained the papyri, he used 'Shinehah' to mean 'Kirtland, Ohio' and in the Book of Abraham used the very same word to mean 'the sun'.
There are no known examples of Egyptians using 'š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ' to mean either 'the sun' or 'Kirtland, Ohio'.
Are you sure you want to stand by your characterization of this as a 'bullseye'? (Shinehah you crazy diamond.)
Were there inserts and changes to Doctrine and Covenants related to "Shinehah" that were added later for clarity or code purposes, not necessarily part of the original dictation? In Sections 86,96, and 98 of the D&C. Did Joseph Smith's use of "Shinehah" as a code word predate or overlap with his translation work on the papyri containing the Book of Abraham? Is it possible that Joseph either borrowed the term from the emerging translation found in Abraham 3 and we find it used as a code word in the D&C?
The ancient Egyptian word š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ (Shinehah) is attested to as a term linked to the sun or solar concepts.
Didn't the Pyramid Texts originate about 100 to 400 years before the earliest estimated dates for Abraham? Doesn't the Book of Abraham place Abraham between 2000 to 1500 BCE? Could he not have traveled to Egypt and had access to the Pyramid Texts?
Yes, pyramids and sacred texts associated therewith existed many hundreds of years before the so-called Abraham era. And yes, Abraham could have traveled to Egypt and visited the pyramids and accessed sacred texts passed down from the Old Kingdom. But you'll recall that there were only 365 years from the time Noah left the ark to when Abraham went into Egypt! And the Book of Abraham tells us that shortly after the flood a woman (Egyptus) having a Greek name went down and discovered a land under water and therein she founded Egypt and crowned her son as the FIRST king of Egypt. Thus Egypt was founded around 2300 BC!
That's impossible. But Mormon Egyptologists know this and avoid talking about it at all cost. It's a conundrum.
I hope Vogel takes this issue up.
I'll be responding to what Hansen said in his interview with O'Connor.
I saw that there was a duplicate. It is true that Shinehah is used within LDS apologetics almost exclusively. However, the spelling and context in the Coffin Texts earlier known as the Pyramid Texts, dated from around 2350 BC...close to Abraham's traditional era...align closely with how "Shinehah" is represented in the Book of Abraham.
S-n-xA" (or š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ
Before Smith obtained the papyri, he used 'Shinehah' to mean 'Kirtland, Ohio' and in the Book of Abraham used the very same word to mean 'the sun'.
There are no know examples of Egyptians using 'š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ' to mean either 'the sun' or 'Kirtland, Ohio'.
Are you sure you want to stand by your characterization of this as a 'bullseye'? (Shinehah you crazy diamond.)
Don't forget the Olaha Shinehah in D&C 117 in 1838. Shinehah is thus linked to the Adamic language. The Valley of the sun and moon. Both are in Abraham chap. 3.
The ancient Egyptian word š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ (Shinehah) is attested to as a term linked to the sun or solar concepts.
A term attested by who?
You mean Mormon apologists and Mormon Egyptologists in a vain effort to defend Smith's false representation of a word that was said to be called by the Egyptians! No sir! The sun was RA and its movement in the sky was said to be KHEPER in honor of the god Khepri.
This is false:
Abraham 3:13 wrote:And he said unto me: This is Shinehah, which is the sun. And he said unto me: Kokob, which is star. And he said unto me: Olea, which is the moon.
Shinehah is not an Egyptian word or term for sun.
Kokob is not an Egyptian word or term for star.
Olea is not an Egyptian word or term for moon.
Period.
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The ancient Egyptian word š(ỉ)-n-ḫꜣ (Shinehah) is attested to as a term linked to the sun or solar concepts.
A term attested by who?
You mean Mormon apologists and Mormon Egyptologists in a vain effort to defend Smith's false representation of a word that was said to be called by the Egyptians! No sir! The sun was RA and its movement in the sky was said to be KHEPER in honor of the god Khepri.
This is false:
Abraham 3:13 wrote:And he said unto me: This is Shinehah, which is the sun. And he said unto me: Kokob, which is star. And he said unto me: Olea, which is the moon.
Were there inserts and changes to Doctrine and Covenants related to "Shinehah" that were added later for clarity or code purposes, not necessarily part of the original dictation? In Sections 86,96, and 98 of the D&C. Did Joseph Smith's use of "Shinehah" as a code word predate or overlap with his translation work on the papyri containing the Book of Abraham? Is it possible that Joseph either borrowed the term from the emerging translation found in Abraham 3 and we find it used as a code word in the D&C?
That's a very good question! I understand the code names were additions added after the fact, thus they overlapped the original penned revelations. The 1835 D&C was first published in August and the papyrus was purchased in June. That's razor sharp closeness. I believe the code names were a bunch of BS that Smith made up to meet his current needs. Shinehah was BS.
