Problematic John Dehlin, a short list

[consiglieri]

Jesus Christ!

I just sentenced a 21-year old client to prison this morning for killing a friend in a car accident.

And you’re moaning about a woman feeling uncomfortable that the sexy pics of herself she put out on her own Facebook page got too much male notice?!

Can we get a little freaking perspective around here?

Again with atleast-he-isn't-killing-anybody.

No. He’s making somebody “uncomfortable.”

Do you realize how unhinged you sound?

[Meadowchik]

Again with atleast-he-isn't-killing-anybody.

I think "no human beings have yet had their lives ruined" is a great argument for trying to keep things that way. Instead of, you know, what is going on here.

"This makes me feel uncomfortable, since you asked how to help. Please don't do it anymore"

...is also a nice, valid approach to not only keep escalations at bay but simply help people have better relationships and happier lives.

[Meadowchik]

No. He’s making somebody “uncomfortable.”

Do you realize how unhinged you sound?

Only if asking to not to be made to feel uncomfortable is unreasonable.

[Kishkumen]

It seems a bit bizarre to recall that specific detail, I mean how many friends would she have to remember how many likes and from whom. Dunno, she's got a good memory.

On the otherhand, if you go back to the John Dehlin is a rockstar narrative promoted in the Rosebud thread, and I can imagine this in my own life, ie, if I had posted some photos of myself in speedos and RFM liked them I would remember this. And then, would be absolutely cheep thrills through the roof if he subsequently un-liked and then re-liked them. I would remember because of his importance in my life, or in general.

Final caveat: Since John Dehlin is in the cross hairs, and an easy target, very open to the fact that it's all idle gossip.

LOL. OK. Well, that says something, I suppose. I agree that John being quasi-important in a small pond attracts all kinds of notice and manipulation.

Oh, if I were dreaming of being on Mormon Stories . . . . (and I am not)

And I get close to the person who runs it . . . (and I haven't)

And I post pictures of myself that look like they are fishing for compliments from friends and family . . . (and I generally don't)

And then the big popular person I hope to interview with likes some sexy pics . . .

And then unlikes them and relikes them . . . .

And I go to ask my friends, "What do you suppose that was about?"

And they come up with some creeper interpretation.

And I believe them because what else would JD like, unlike, and like sexy pictures for?

So I gather together my online lynch mob to register my disgust and moral outrage.

And then when one of my circle is looking for further ammo against this guy who is obviously a cretin . . .

I say, "Sure, sounds great! He totally deserves it."

There are so many levels there where I don't connect with this person.

But then I don't know this person.

And I won't know this person.

And I think it is probably for the best that we ignore anonymous accusations with incomplete information from people we don't know.

[Meadowchik]

The majority of the facts are corroborated by Dehlin in the Google Doc. And if we merely read that alone, essential complaints still stand.

Just to be clear, he fesses up to re-liking the photos? I did read the document, but missed this bit and people so flippin' eager to redact, that nobody posts anything that is searchable

The only things redacted in the doc are the woman and her husband's names, and their location.

Dehlin does not mention the question of re-liking in the doc.

[Kishkumen]

"This makes me feel uncomfortable, since you asked how to help. Please don't do it anymore"

...is also a nice, valid approach to not only keep escalations at bay but simply help people have better relationships and happier lives.

And I totally agree with that. If only this approach had been taken by the person in question, instead of, you know, gathering a posse and also deputizing you to carry on the fight here.

[Kishkumen]

And then Dehlin went ballistic when she said she was uncomfortable about it in his Facebook group.

Well neener, neener. LOL!

Let me ask you a pertinent question here:

At what point have I been denying that Dehlin tends to eff things up?

And here's another good question:

How might that have gone if she had left the whole thing private up to the point he didn't seem to be getting the message?

[consiglieri]

I happen to know the identity of this much aggrieved woman and have just come back from a visit to her Facebook page.

I can report there are absolutely no sexy pictures of herself posted there.

That is all.

[dastardly stem]

I must have missed a bunch. I didn't realize this lady and a bunch of her friends actually did bombard his MS Facebook with complaints. I read it as he was way over-reacting, playing a victim, acting as if people are just nutty, jealous, pathetic losers who have nothing better to do than to try and bring him down, all because she responded appropriately to a request he made?

I'd say just by reading his complaint pages, that the latter fits much better. But again, I could be wrong.

I too think it's odd that she would figure out he like, disliked and reliked the photos. I don't pay any attention to that on Facebook, I didn't realize people do. That's my bad. I suppose it's quite possible she noticed, particularly since she brought it up in response to his request. Fair enough.

Well, Dehlin, it appears you have more explaining to do???

Just kidding. Don't try. You better just hope this goes away again.

[pistolero]

The only things redacted in the doc are the woman and her husband's names, and their location.

What I'm getting at is that they aren't searchable text documents, they are images so that people can redact the names. It's just annoying I can't search the document to tease out the information that I'm looking for. Russell M. Nelson had it right, I'm lazy.

The majority of the facts are corroborated by Dehlin in the Google Doc. And if we merely read that alone, essential complaints still stand.

Dehlin does not mention the question of re-liking in the doc.

But this is one of the major accusations against JD that makes it all the more creepy. If he liked them once, then so what, absolutely no story surely? I can only see the story as being even slightly problematic if he liked them twice. That's what sends the message, the signal, the whatever. Therefore I'd like to hear what JD has to say to defend himself. Although, given his rather large feet, he manages to get them in his mouth when he speaks on here, I would probably just say nothing.