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Re: Lake of fire.

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Quantum1982 wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2026 11:03 pm
If there is no lake of fire, then the death on the cross is nullified. What happens to people like Adolf Hitler, Paul Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong Il?

Also, what happens to the devil?
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Adolf Hitler, Paul Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong
It is interesting these examples get brought presumably amidst the doctrine of Romans 10:10 salvation. First, we already know that Hitler likely is saved. Most Christians today revere him and wish to recreate what he achieved politically. Second, most supremely self-serving individuals who have taken risks to get where they are will be on the lookout for a quick fix. Constantine, long after he saved Christianity, delayed baptism until just before he died in order to make sure the favor was returned. Pot was just in the wrong tradition, where would he even hear about it?

You could say the same of Jong, but everyone in North Korea he oppresses is going to hell also, so why single out Kim Jong? The chances of Kim Jong getting saved are substantially greater than his oppressed followers. Kim Jong Il was mesmerized by Hollywood, and given American culture today has shifted from Hollywood influence to independent social media influence, the loud and brash fascists wearing crosses has been in vogue over the last few years, and it wouldn't be that surprising if Kim Jong Un were to seek a connection to what's cool in the outside world like his father did.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2026 7:09 am
Quantum1982 wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2026 10:10 pm
Hi,

I would like to know why Mormons don't believe in a literal lake of fire?

Thanks.
Have you asked the missionaries? Have you approached someone from FAIRLDS? What research have you done up to this point?
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Philo Sofee wrote:
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What is heaven?
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Gadianton wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2026 11:30 pm
What happens to people like Adolf Hitler
There's good evidence that he confessed Jesus before death so he's in heaven.
Plus, he was baptized by proxy in 1993.
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Tom wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2026 3:51 pm
Gadianton wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2026 11:30 pm
There's good evidence that he confessed Jesus before death so he's in heaven.
Plus, he was baptized by proxy in 1993.
Perhaps Quantum-boy would like to live on the same golden street as Hitler in the hereafter? They can be buddies and drink strawberry daiquiris to their heart's content while listening to harp players.
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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2026 2:19 pm
Adolf Hitler, Paul Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong
It is interesting these examples get brought presumably amidst the doctrine of Romans 10:10 salvation. First, we already know that Hitler likely is saved. Most Christians today revere him and wish to recreate what he achieved politically. Second, most supremely self-serving individuals who have taken risks to get where they are will be on the lookout for a quick fix. Constantine, long after he saved Christianity, delayed baptism until just before he died in order to make sure the favor was returned. Pot was just in the wrong tradition, where would he even hear about it?

You could say the same of Jong, but everyone in North Korea he oppresses is going to hell also, so why single out Kim Jong? The chances of Kim Jong getting saved are substantially greater than his oppressed followers. Kim Jong Il was mesmerized by Hollywood, and given American culture today has shifted from Hollywood influence to independent social media influence, the loud and brash fascists wearing crosses has been in vogue over the last few years, and it wouldn't be that surprising if Kim Jong Un were to seek a connection to what's cool in the outside world like his father did.
Gad, I could be stuffy and insist there is zero evidence of deathbed repentance and faith for Hitler. It is more likely he found some sort of hell. But you offer good evidence to consider. Your post makes a good point.
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2026 11:03 pm
If there is no lake of fire, then the death on the cross is nullified.
So being saved from anything less bad than eternal torture is worth nothing? That seems ungrateful.

Jesus promised a reward just for giving a thirsty person a drink of water. That seems less demanding.
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Humans have a soul which lives on throughout eternity. We were made in the image of God.
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Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2026 4:37 pm
Humans have a soul which lives on throughout eternity.
You don't say? Did you learn that by reading the Bible?

Before the Bible (66 books), how did people come to know that?
Quantum1982 wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2026 4:38 pm
We were made in the image of God.
Right. Sound's pretty cool.

But, does God have a body like me? Does he have a penis too?
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