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Re: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the false Prophet to Orson Pratt, at Fayette, 1830

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Shulem wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:36 pm
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 19, 2026 11:41 pm
No man knoweth the hour.
But we know the generation!
I would think that 'hour' and 'generation' are synonymous in this respect. Orson Pratt was one of among many that have gone against the grain of what Jesus said in the New Testament:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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Shulem wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2026 12:20 pm
In *this* thread we need not discuss whether we should trust so-called prophets based on the failure of the prophecy of the Second Coming. That discussion belongs in another thread, and let's please not make this thread all about MG! :geek: Let us focus exactly on the failure of the singular prophecy that proves how Christians and the Latter-Day Saint movement are wrong.
as the OP, your wish is our command!!!
AGAIN, you are welcome to try and explain in simple and logical terms how these prophecies have not failed:
Shulem wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 15, 2026 9:10 pm
Jesus has been dead and missing in action for 2,000 years and he is never coming back. The false prophecy of the Second Coming is nothing more than a pipe dream in Christian mythology. Another 2,000 years will have passed and Christ still will not have returned. The great lie has been proven false by time itself. Anyone is free to worship Jesus and praise him but they must confess that he has not publicly shown his face or manifested himself physically for 2,000 years. Christians to this day faithfully await his return even though on a legal basis, Jesus *is* still dead.

2 Peter 3:1-10

Peter wrote to Christian cult members at Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. His message has nothing to do with me (Shulem), an enlightened man, living some 2,000 years in the future. Peter was speaking to Christian cult members of his time while barking new orders to *them*. Christ was said to soon come back and judge the world for “the day of Christ is at hand” (2 Thes 2:2). The Christians stood watch but nothing at hand happened. He did not come back for those were “soon shaken in mind” and nor did he return “quickly” as promised in the Book of Revelations.

Peter then continues to ramble on about how God made the world and how people fail to believe or accept the prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ and his quick return to earth. He notes how a day of fiery judgement is coming and “that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” He tells of how the day will come and that “The Lord is not slack (slow)” to keep that promise, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.”

That day did not come and neither did it come in a thousand years after Peter’s false prophecy. The “day” (1,000 years) passed on and then another day (1,000 years) expired. And so here we are today, in 2026 and Christians are stuck waiting on the Lord’s day.

The prophecy failed.

So, was Peter living in the “last days” during these prophetic Christian announcements? YES!


So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

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Imagine, if you will, 1st century Christians being told that Christ will not return for at least 2,000 years! Do you suppose they would be sorely disappointed and begin to question the letters written to them from the apostles?

St Peter and a small handful of Christians living during his lifetime may have been diligent but their faith was in vain because Christ failed to return according to the teachings of the Church. The early Christians made predictions about Christ coming soon because the day of the Lord was nigh at hand. Special thanks to bill4long for his contributions in demonstrating that the day of the Lord was soon at hand and how the cult’s prophecy failed miserably:
  • the day is upon us
  • very soon
  • the appointed time has grown very short
  • some who are standing here will not taste death
  • This generation shall not pass till
  • You will not finish
  • must very soon take place
  • I am coming very soon
  • it is the final hour
Christ never indicated that his Second Coming (return) would take place thousands (plural) of years after his death. Far from it! That is not the message of the Christian religion. Jesus’s prophecies were about events that were said to shortly occur during the generation at hand -- whereafter complete fulfillment was not thousands of years into the future but in the end times that were soon and near. Those buzzwords described the times in which every word of the prophecy would be fulfilled! The time in which *all* (not partial) things concerning Jesus’s prophecies was soon to be fulfilled:


Matthew’s account assured the Christians that salvation was at hand and that all those things would be fulfilled, NOT thousands of years into the future!



Apologetic excuses for delaying the Second Coming are DOA!



Now note how John’s prophecy leaves the end times behind and zooms far into the distant future:



QUESTION: Is there biblical precedent that lends believers to think that Christ’s coming would be thousands of years into the future?

ANSWER: No.

Truth be told, Christ and many of his disciples paid the ultimate price with their own lives for promoting a new religion that threatened unbelievers with death and destruction for failing to bend the knees to Christian dogma. The temple was razed to the ground in 70 AD around the time John produced the book of Revelation. His revelation/dream was a horrific narrative of vengeance and hatred against those who opposed Christianity, but in the end, Jesus failed to return and the prophecy of the Second Coming and end of the world proved false. Christianity was proven false and the cult collapsed under its own false prophecies.

Recall Jesus saying, “But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple” and on one occasion took it upon himself to clear the temple of moneychangers and afterward “the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them”, whereafter there were shouts of “Hosanna” to his goodness. The temple was a favorite hangout for Jesus in teaching his gospel message (Luke 21:37,38); later, after Christ died, the apostles spent their time “daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.” The point being, the temple was basically ground zero and the holiest place on earth for both Jesus and his disciples. Recall St Paul telling the Thessalonians about the imminent return of Jesus Christ and how the saints must have faith in the promise of “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

THEN, in Paul’s next breath the saints are warned about the coming of the AntiChrist (2 Thes 2) and how he “sitteth in the temple of God.” This prophecy must take place prior to the Jerusalem temple being RAZED to the ground during the endtimes when Christ would return.

Again, Christian prophecies failed. Christ was supposed to return and overthrow the AntiChrist, but what we get is the temple being razed, Christians shown the door, and crazy (drug-induced?) prophecies of John the revelator spouting utter nonsense. And here we are, 2,000 years later, modern Christians and looney Mormons are oblivious to the false prophecies of Christianity because they have been brainwashed.


No, it is NOT the last time. You are wrong. Christ is not coming back in your lifetime or during the lifetime of any AntiChrist of your era or hundreds or even thousands of years thereafter! Christ is dead, period.

The Christian cult will never see the fulfillment of false prophecies. The cult/church/religion (whatever) has been around a long time and ruled societies and peoples with an iron fist. Through the Dark Ages and other eras, the Christians caused a tremendous amount of horrific pain and suffering while wielding power and influence over nations. Looking back, it was horrible and thank God the biblical prophecies (Book of Revelation) are nothing more than the insane thoughts of a a man who was hell bent on getting revenge over the world. It is a demonic book! I am very grateful to have turned away from Christian dogma and live an authentic life of my own choosing without religion telling me what to do.

St. Paul was not speaking to people living 2,000 years into the future. The furthest thing from the minds of the apostles was 1,000 years AD, into the future when Satan would be unchained for a little season. Paul was concerned with his own times and the imminent fulfillment of the soon to be Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world:
  • 2 Thes 1:1 “Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians”
  • 2 Thes 1:2 “Grace unto you”
  • 2 Thes 1:6 “God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you”...
  • 2 Thes 1:7 “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,”
Again, it could not be more clear that in the “last time” (last days), the very temple built by Israel that was graced by the presence of Jesus would one day be polluted by AntiChrist forces: “so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” At this juncture, the Second Coming was to be be realized! Israel would then be saved and Christ would reign supreme. Not so! The temple was razed forever and Israel was left without a Messiah and a temple to this very day, 2026 AD.

As far as Jesus was concerned, there was one temple (Matt 23:21), the one he personally attended, and there was a heavenly throne (Matt 23:22), the one his Father sat upon. Christ reminded the Jews of horrible things that had occurred in the past and speaking to the Jews he warned about more horrible things that were to take place in their times and the very near future and correctly predicted how the temple would again be torn down:


Christ continued to prophesy (Matt 24) and predict how the end would take place (“but the end is not yet”) and that his followers would then know that he is “even at the doors” by which he encouraged the people to “endure unto the end” which would occur after the destruction of the temple. He told of great tribulations that would take place during that generation but “those days shall be shortened” in order for salvation to be realized. He specifically said that “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

The future destruction of the Jerusalem temple is the key, the very one built and maintained by the authority of prophets of the Old Testament -- the building in which Zacharias was slain between the temple and the altar. That is the very temple in which St John indicated the AntiChrist would sit in which God would be mocked. Then Christ will come and everyone will see it!

Christ continued to prophesy (Matt 24) and predict how the end would take place (“but the end is not yet”) and that his followers would then know that he is “even at the doors” by which he encouraged the people to “endure unto the end” which would occur after the destruction of the temple. He told of great tribulations that would take place during that generation but “those days shall be shortened” in order for salvation to be realized. He specifically said that “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

The future destruction of the Jerusalem temple is the key, the very one built and maintained by the authority of prophets of the Old Testament -- the building in which Zacharias was slain between the temple and the altar. That is the very temple in which St John indicated the AntiChrist would sit in which God would be mocked. Then Christ will come and everyone will see it!

Jesus was adamant in prophesying how everyone alive would see him come again in glory. St Paul assured the Thessalonians that the surviving Christians would rapture up into heaven with Jesus and St John envisioned those still living who crucified Christ would see him come in the clouds which echos what Christ said previously to the Jews that “Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man.”


Now recall the faith promoting fictitious conversation between resurrected Jesus and his competing apostles in which Peter questioned the Lord about John’s duration in the ministry, whereafter it is positively confirmed twice (John 21:22,23) that unlike Peter, John would live and continue to minister till the Second Coming:


This is proof that the apostles fully expected Christ to come during John’s life and that Peter need not compare himself or wonder about which of them is the greatest.

Jesus, in no uncertain terms, wrapped his prophecy into a single generation in which *ALL* the things leading up to his Second Coming would be fulfilled in one generation -- ONE. It leaves no room to add future generations and skip thousands of years into the future. The fulfillment of all those things were assigned to a single generation in the era in which they lived -- not thousands of years into the future. It comes down to simple math which does not require additional elements but is a Singular/Onement event and yet we see the Mormons reset the clock at year 1830 and are still waiting for their Jesus to this day. :lol:


The prophecy is specific and point blank. There is one (1), a singular horizon, in which *all* fulfillment was to occur. The destruction of the temple and the end of the age in which Christ would return was suppose to happen just like the sun rising and setting on a horizon, in a single generation. For example:











These sayings stand on their own merits and are very specific. Jesus was speaking of one uninterrupted timeline involving the destruction of the Temple and the end of the age! The timeline and events described by Jesus in Matthew 24 indicate the destruction of the temple AND the Second Coming was suppose to occur during the lifetime of those then living. He implied that one of the things that would occur in *that* generation is the gospel would be preached to all nations.



Jesus was speaking to living people during his day and time -- *that* generation. The Christians took their message all throughout Israel and then turned to the Gentiles including the lands of: Samaria, Syria, Asia Minor, Cyprus, Crete, Greece, Macedonia, Italy, Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc.


The Christians really believed that Christ would come again in their day (generation) because that was the original claim:
  • Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. (Mark 9:1)
  • So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: (1 Cor 1:7)
  • For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. (1 Cor 11:26)
  • For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? (1 Thes 2:19)
  • For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (1 Thes 4:15)
  • And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes 5:23)
  • When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. (2 Thes 1:10)
  • For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. (Heb 10:37)
  • Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. (James 5:7)
  • Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. (James 5:8)
  • And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. (1 John 2:28)
  • But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. (Rev 2:25)
  • Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. (Rev 3:3)
The Olivet Discourse given by Jesus outlined prophecies (including worldly judgement) that was soon to take place; chapter 25 continued the sermon and began with, “Then shall the kingdom...” Jesus continued to prophesy and said,
  • “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.” (25:13)
  • “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:” 25:31
Jesus was very specific and exact in stating there were those then living who would not taste death prior to his soon-to-be return which was a planned event, not a teaching per se. The historical context of his return never happened as predicted and never will because it is far, far too late. Unborn peoples thousands of years into the future are not part of the prophecy no matter what anyone says. And the Mormons are completely duped and brainwashed.
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Re: Revelation given through Joseph Smith the false Prophet to Orson Pratt, at Fayette, 1830

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MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:53 pm
I would think that 'hour' and 'generation' are synonymous in this respect.
Think again, MG. It matters not. The hour and day has passed and the generation is long over. The prophecy failed.
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:53 pm
Orson Pratt was one of among many that have gone against the grain of what Jesus said in the New Testament:
Jesus was wrong as was Joseph Smith, Orson Pratt, Heber C Kimball, and many others to include the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve, and the Holy Ghost.
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:53 pm
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
It's a fatal flaw to presume that a member of the Eternal Godhead doesn't know when he is coming and when he is going!

:lol:

And yet, Smith slipped up once again insomuch as Enoch knew the very day and hour in which Christ would come:
Moses 7 wrote:47 And behold, Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, even in the flesh...

65 And it came to pass that Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, in the last days, to dwell on the earth...

67 And the Lord showed Enoch all things, even unto the end of the world; and he saw the day of the righteous, the hour of their redemption...
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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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Marcus wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:03 pm
Shulem wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2026 12:20 pm
In *this* thread we need not discuss whether we should trust so-called prophets based on the failure of the prophecy of the Second Coming. That discussion belongs in another thread, and let's please not make this thread all about MG! :geek: Let us focus exactly on the failure of the singular prophecy that proves how Christians and the Latter-Day Saint movement are wrong.
as the OP, your wish is our command!!!
I really appreciate that. I'm pulling the rug right out from under MG. Watch him fall like the fool he is.
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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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Marcus wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:03 pm
Shulem wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 26, 2026 12:20 pm
In *this* thread we need not discuss whether we should trust so-called prophets based on the failure of the prophecy of the Second Coming. That discussion belongs in another thread, and let's please not make this thread all about MG! :geek: Let us focus exactly on the failure of the singular prophecy that proves how Christians and the Latter-Day Saint movement are wrong.
as the OP, your wish is our command!!!
AGAIN, you are welcome to try and explain in simple and logical terms how these prophecies have not failed:

The question for me is how Jesus's pronouncement that no man knoweth the time time/hour of Christ's return dovetails with the 'this generation" scriptures.

They seem to be in conflict.

How is that to be explained?

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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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Shulem wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:24 pm
Marcus wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:03 pm
as the OP, your wish is our command!!!
I really appreciate that. I'm pulling the rug right out from under MG. Watch him fall like the fool he is.
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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:27 pm
The question for me is how Jesus's pronouncement that no man knoweth the time time/hour of Christ's return dovetails with the 'this generation" scriptures.

They seem to be in conflict.

How is that to be explained?
This thread explains how the great Christian prophecy of the Second Coming is a false prophecy, period. Joseph Smith took it upon himself to continue and act like he spoke for God. The whole thing was an utter mess and was shipwrecked at sea.

For Christ's sake, MG, read the thread and open your brain by getting out of the box by which the Mormon church has brainwashed you. There is nothing but conflict when it comes to the prophecy of the Second Coming and there is no power on earth or in heaven that can fix it. It's false!

The generation in which the Second Coming was to occur never happened and never will.

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MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:27 pm
The question for me is how Jesus's pronouncement that no man knoweth the time time/hour of Christ's return dovetails with the 'this generation" scriptures.

Late in Joseph Smith's ministry (age 37), he began to fear that his calling as the prophet who would usher in the Second Coming might appear to be somewhat delayed or worse yet, fail to materialize as expected. Smith began to backpaddle and distance himself in order to get the heat off him and give him some space by which the saints were becoming increasingly anxious.
D&C 130, Items of instruction given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, 1843 wrote:
14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:

15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old [year 1890], thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.

16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.

17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than THAT TIME.
Note how Joseph said he was praying very earnestly, presumably in the Spirit, and yet he was not able to decide what God was saying to him! That is not edification of the Spirit! In order to be edified one must understand the things of the Spirit but Smith was left guessing as if someone was listening to another speak in tongues without understanding what they mean. Recall how Enoch supposedly saw the Second Coming and the very day in which it happened and so it seems reasonable that Joseph Smith was hoping to get on board with that and know what Enoch saw.

I do believe Joseph Smith was getting very nervous about his ministry and worried about prophecies of him ushering in the Second Coming: "And I have given unto him the keys of the mystery of those things which have been sealed, even things which were from the foundation of the world, and the things which shall come from this time until the time of my coming...and shall abide the day of my coming...And Israel shall be saved in mine own due time; and by the keys which I have given shall they be led..." (D&C 35)
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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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Shulem wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:43 pm
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 5:27 pm
The question for me is how Jesus's pronouncement that no man knoweth the time time/hour of Christ's return dovetails with the 'this generation" scriptures.

They seem to be in conflict.

How is that to be explained?
This thread explains how the great Christian prophecy of the Second Coming is a false prophecy, period. Joseph Smith took it upon himself to continue and act like he spoke for God. The whole thing was an utter mess and was shipwrecked at sea.

For Christ's sake, MG, read the thread and open your brain by getting out of the box by which the Mormon church has brainwashed you. There is nothing but conflict when it comes to the prophecy of the Second Coming and there is no power on earth or in heaven that can fix it. It's false!

The generation in which the Second Coming was to occur never happened and never will.

:idea:
I think you're still ignoring the fact that only the Father...God the Father Himself... knows the time/generation that the Second Coming of Christ will take place. Personally, I think the time is getting closer.

But that doesn't make it so. Same being the case for others who have prognosticated along the way from time immemorable. One thing we do know is that His coming will be like a "thief in the night"...it will catch many, if not most, unawares...and possibly unprepared.

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Re: No Second Coming! I prophesy!

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MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 6:46 pm
I think you're still ignoring the fact that only the Father...God the Father Himself... knows the time/generation that the Second Coming of Christ will take place.
It's NOT a fact; it's a religious declaration based on faith alone made by a man who lived 2,000 years ago. Mortal Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matt 24:36) Does mortal Jesus mirror what immortal Jesus might know? That is the question! You suggest that Omniscient Jesus doesn't know when he is coming? Really? Look what Joseph Smith said while pretending to speak for Jesus:
D&C 49:7 wrote:I, the Lord God, have spoken it; but the hour and the day no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes.
Notice above how Jesus is doing the speaking ("I") yet the personal pronoun at the end is "he" when it should be "I". Bottom line, Jesus didn't say that he didn't know when he would come like he did when he was a mere mortal man. He's suppose to be GOD, Goddamnit!
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 6:46 pm
Personally, I think the time is getting closer.
Pratt thought the same thing, ever closer and closer, and then comes Jesus. But he was absolutely wrong along with the entire Church. Those testimonies that were born while under the influence of the Holy Spirit were false. That's Mormonism!
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 27, 2026 6:46 pm
But that doesn't make it so. Same being the case for others who have prognosticated along the way from time immemorable. One thing we do know is that His coming will be like a "thief in the night"...it will catch many, if not most, unawares...and possibly unprepared.
You know NO such thing! It's pure faith and religious lore, nothing more. You have done nothing to refute the points I've made in this thread. You're bankrupt, MG. Believe me, I'm keeping perfect score. You are in a very bad way, MG-baby.
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