New official essay on Book of Mormon translation, they’re still lying.

[Shulem]

In reference to your word usage concern the words "beasts, islands, and dragons" were part of the common biblical vocabulary passed down through the KJV tradition.

Isaiah did not employ those words and neither could have Nephi. But Joseph Smith did. He copied them from the KJV not knowing what he was doing!

If Smith had translated with a focus on conveying the exact ancient zoological or geographical referents (like "hyenas" or "jackals"), the text might have seemed foreign or obscure to his readers.

Oh I love it! I have you backed up right where I want you, MG. It's so simple and easy beating you at your own game because you're a fool.

Look, let me give you an example of something Smith translated that certainly seems foreign or obscure to me:

Cureloms & Cumoms

What the hell?

Bottom line, Smith should have translated what was in the original Hebrew text of Isaiah and not use wrong words employed in the English KJV.

Joseph was writing for our day. His audience was 19th century Bible readers and believers. In today's parlance and meaning of Biblical/Book of Mormon text most folks don't take issue with the "appropriate translation".

You are correct in stating that it was Smith's audience and does not originate from God who is able to correctly translate foreign text into any language in which everyone can understand. All of this is proof that KJV vomit has no place in the Book of Mormon!

Hey, MG, have you ever heard of an elephant?



You're toasted, dude.

[MG 2.0]

Wasn't the Book of Mormon written for Jew and Gentile?

LOL! It's too bad the Jews do not accept the Book of Mormon as scripture. In fact, if a Jew has even heard of the Book of Mormon, they most likely view it on par with L. Ron Hubbard's writings.

There are a number of things that the Book of Mormon gives to the Jews in regard to further light and knowledge as to their purpose in the landscape of salvific history.

LOL! This statement implies that the Book of Mormon offers a more complete understanding of Jewish salvific history than what is found in their own scriptures (the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh) or their own theological traditions. Jews would find this claim to be utterly offensive and ridiculous.

They are in no way left out.

LOL! Why would Jewish people feel left out without the Book of Mormon? What a stupid argument, MG.

The Book of Mormon reminds the Jewish people that they remain God's ancient covenant people and that the gathering of Israel is part of the latter day work that God will and has initiated on earth.

LOL! The gathering of Israel discussed in the Book of Mormon is viewed through a distinctly Mormon perspective/lens, which includes belief in Joseph Smith as a prophet, the restoration of the church, and a different understanding of the Messiah than traditional Judaism. The gathering of Israel discussed in the Book of Mormon is tied to accepting Jesus Christ as the Messiah, which is a completely offensive departure from traditional Jewish beliefs about their covenant and future.

Somewhere in the Book of Mormon it says that the Bible being brought forth by the Jews acts as a companion to the Book of Mormon and they work together in providing the scriptural sourcing/backing to encourage believers to follow Jesus Christ.

LOL! From a Jewish perspective, their Bible (the Tanakh) is a complete and sufficient revelation of God's will and covenants.

You can get a limited amount of mileage out of LOL's. Message boards. Argh. The surface is only scratched.

The Book of Mormon is for Jew and Gentile. Oh, and those that are adopted into the House of Israel.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

The Book of Mormon is for Jew and Gentile. Oh, and those that are adopted into the House of Israel.

And who, may I ask, are the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 written for?

The Egyptians?

[I Have Questions]

I'm afraid your idea (A.I.?) is not entirely supported by Smith's narrative of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. The aim of his translation in dealing with biblical ancient text was not only meant for those living in his region and time but was "Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile." Or in other words, the account of Isaiah that was alleged to be recorded on gold plates was for EVERYONE, especially the Jews who should anticipate an exact reading of what's in their own volume of scripture passed down through the ages. THAT is what Smith alleged to translate!

But what do the Jews get?

Garbage from the KJV!

You're toast, MG.

Wasn't the Book of Mormon written for Jew and Gentile? There are a number of things that the Book of Mormon gives to the Jews in regard to further light and knowledge as to their purpose in the landscape of salvific history. They are in no way left out. The Book of Mormon reminds the Jewish people that they remain God's ancient covenant people and that the gathering of Israel is part of the latter day work that God will and has initiated on earth. Somewhere in the Book of Mormon it says that the Bible being brought forth by the Jews acts as a companion to the Book of Mormon and they work together in providing the scriptural sourcing/backing to encourage believers to follow Jesus Christ.

Regards,
MG

There is a high probability that most of this response by MG 2.0 was generated by AI.

[Shulem]

In today's parlance and meaning of Biblical/Book of Mormon text most folks don't take issue with the "appropriate translation".

But, MG, Joseph Smith is on record for being very interested in the "appropriate translation" in all cases involving Bible translations. Several discourses from him demonstrate that wording and context were important and that accuracy was on par with being correct. I'm reminded how Smith, late in his ministry, took issue with John's use of the word "dragon" in the Book of Revelation (12:9) and notes that it should have been rendered as "devil".

KJV usage of dragons in Isaiah & Jeremiah should be translated as jackals. There is no question in my mind that had Smith known this he would have used the word jackals and in doing so would pat himself on the back for making the Book of Mormon the most correct book on earth. And apologists today would have something to brag about.

Right?

[Shulem]

Wasn't the Book of Mormon written for Jew and Gentile? There are a number of things that the Book of Mormon gives to the Jews in regard to further light and knowledge as to their purpose in the landscape of salvific history. They are in no way left out. The Book of Mormon reminds the Jewish people that they remain God's ancient covenant people and that the gathering of Israel is part of the latter day work that God will and has initiated on earth. Somewhere in the Book of Mormon it says that the Bible being brought forth by the Jews acts as a companion to the Book of Mormon and they work together in providing the scriptural sourcing/backing to encourage believers to follow Jesus Christ.

There is a high probability that most of this response by MG 2.0 was generated by A.I..

It seems so.

Look above, I highlighted in red the very word that seems like a red flag to me.

Hmmmm.

Hey, MG, is this A.I. material?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

[Everybody Wang Chung]

There is a high probability that most of this response by MG 2.0 was generated by A.I.

It seems so.

Look above, I highlighted in red the very word that seems like a red flag to me.

Hmmmm.

Hey, MG, is this A.I. material?

[ ] yes
[ ] no

This will be the fourth time MG has broken his promise to not use AI. I’m shocked, especially since MG told us on another thread about how much integrity he has.

MG has so much integrity.

[Shulem]

Let's ask Joe, he'll know.

I, Mormon, have bowed my knees to the king's language since I was 11 years old.

And when I was 15, I saw Jesus.

And in my 24th year I translated the KJV into the KJV.