WW2 politics, and leading up to the War and beyond...

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Gad: I watched a documentary on the Nazi invasion of of the Soviet Union last night. I'm not a WW2 buff, I've not read war histories, so this was new information for me. Cooper's statement makes a lot more sense in context. Markk, as a WW2 expert, should have known better
You can't help yourself but to lie....

This is what Markk said...."I am in no way a WW2 expert, not even close, but I have studied it off and on for the last 50 years as a hobby, and can generally hold my own in general history of both campaigns"

I get you need to lie of affect, in that you can't have a objective discussion about this topic.
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Gad: He could have scored a point against me had he realized Cooper was talking about the invasion of the Soviet Union,
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Again you do not even read what I have written.
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Markk wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:21 pm
Gad: I watched a documentary on the Nazi invasion of of the Soviet Union last night. I'm not a WW2 buff, I've not read war histories, so this was new information for me. Cooper's statement makes a lot more sense in context. Markk, as a WW2 expert, should have known better
You can't help yourself but to lie....
This is what Markk said...."I am in no way a WW2 expert, not even close, but I have studied it off and on for the last 50 years as a hobby, and can generally hold my own in general history of both campaigns"
I get you need to lie of affect, in that you can't have a objective discussion about this topic.
Gad may be referring to this:
Markk wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:31 pm
There is maybe no other subject written about, except for maybe religion that I know of besides WW2.
In this, it kind of sounds like you’re saying you’re an expert.

Didn’t you also say that you’d been studying the subject for years?
Markk wrote:
Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:20 am
I have read more books than I could ever remember, and it really doesn't matter if you believe me or not, again join in and let's talk about the war and we you test my general knowledge. I will say a few books that come to mind that made a huge impact was the Rape of Nanjing, Iwo Assault on Hell, and A Tomb Called Iwo Jima. Technical Histories like the Rise and Fall of the Third Rich I read early on, but these days I prefer Bios like I mentioned.
But then, maybe I’m reading this wrong.
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Markk wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:21 pm
"I am in no way a WW2 expert, not even close, but I have studied it off and on for the last 50 years as a hobby, and can generally hold my own in general history of both campaigns"
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Yes, Morley, that's what I was referring to. I don't recall the statement conceding he isn't a WW2 expert. I commend him for recognizing that. I would suggest caution when bragging about one's knowledge unless one can really back it up. I do get it though, that he read a lot of books a long time ago, he got sucked into right-wing politics, and everything since then became about that rather than real knowledge.

I had a teacher in high school with this take on learning:

unconsciously incompetent
consciously incompetent
consciously competent
unconsciously competent

Trite, but, I think there is a point. It's the unconsciously incompetent apologist who can't hide the urge to pee their pants. "Jim Jones was a liberal! Nobody knows about it except Cooper!" even though it's in paragraph 2 of the wiki article.

After butting up against facts; getting owned a few times, you're supposed to transition to the next rung. Weirdly, it's like a feature of right-wingers that this never happens. But, it could happen, and it does happen if a person is seriously interested in improving. Even an apologist for evil can become a better apologist for evil by learning the hard lessons. Instead of coming right out and saying that civil rights are the fruit of cult leaders and we all need to serve Donald Trump in whatever he commands, you're supposed to find some interesting factoid about Jim Jones not a lot of people may know about, that deeply couches the accusation a person wants to get to, and then hope the audience doesn't see the plan for fool's mate.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Morley wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:22 pm
Markk wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:21 pm

You can't help yourself but to lie....
This is what Markk said...."I am in no way a WW2 expert, not even close, but I have studied it off and on for the last 50 years as a hobby, and can generally hold my own in general history of both campaigns"
I get you need to lie of affect, in that you can't have a objective discussion about this topic.
Gad may be referring to this:
Markk wrote:
Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:31 pm
There is maybe no other subject written about, except for maybe religion that I know of besides WW2.
In this, it kind of sounds like you’re saying you’re an expert.

Didn’t you also say that you’d been studying the subject for years?
Markk wrote:
Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:20 am
I have read more books than I could ever remember, and it really doesn't matter if you believe me or not, again join in and let's talk about the war and we you test my general knowledge. I will say a few books that come to mind that made a huge impact was the Rape of Nanjing, Iwo Assault on Hell, and A Tomb Called Iwo Jima. Technical Histories like the Rise and Fall of the Third Rich I read early on, but these days I prefer Bios like I mentioned.
But then, maybe I’m reading this wrong.
You are very wrong.
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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:07 pm
Yes, Morley, that's what I was referring to. I don't recall the statement conceding he isn't a WW2 expert. I commend him for recognizing that. I would suggest caution when bragging about one's knowledge unless one can really back it up. I do get it though, that he read a lot of books a long time ago, he got sucked into right-wing politics, and everything since then became about that rather than real knowledge.

I had a teacher in high school with this take on learning:

unconsciously incompetent
consciously incompetent
consciously competent
unconsciously competent

Trite, but, I think there is a point. It's the unconsciously incompetent apologist who can't hide the urge to pee their pants. "Jim Jones was a liberal! Nobody knows about it except Cooper!" even though it's in paragraph 2 of the wiki article.

After butting up against facts; getting owned a few times, you're supposed to transition to the next rung. Weirdly, it's like a feature of right-wingers that this never happens. But, it could happen, and it does happen if a person is seriously interested in improving. Even an apologist for evil can become a better apologist for evil by learning the hard lessons. Instead of coming right out and saying that civil rights are the fruit of cult leaders and we all need to serve Donald Trump in whatever he commands, you're supposed to find some interesting factoid about Jim Jones not a lot of people may know about, that deeply couches the accusation a person wants to get to, and then hope the audience doesn't see the plan for fool's mate.
Lol, so you are basing what you said, because I said that WW2 may be written about more than any other subject than religion....

That makes be a "buff". Lol...You are just lying more now. But hey just fall back on the ad homs.
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