Happy Treason Weasel Day!!

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Lem wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:40 pm
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:20 pm
Lemmie,

What does a dog do when they catch a car?

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If I had to guess she probably thought everyone would bust through the barrier, arrest Congress with their bare hands, and then string them up at the gallows that were erected outside. Don’t ask me how they thought that could actually happen, though. Anyone that was there yesterday were delusional and brainwashed by right-wing propaganda.

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Delusional. Like the current President of the US, then?

I just listened to a press conference of D.C. law enforcement and officials. It sounds like they were surprised the Capitol would be breached, or at least they are saying that now. The Mayor did say that even if she had National Guard deployment rights as a State Governor does, she couldn't have sent them to the Capitol steps on her own say, if I heard her correctly.

What did she mean? Is there a loophole regarding who can do what regarding federal property vs. State/district security? Is that why they couldn't act faster? Was it Trump's job to deploy National Guard to the Capitol building? I understand it was, in the end, Pence who organized a federal response.

If it turns out the White House could have but didn't act in a timely manner (i.e. 6 to 8 hours) to protect the Capitol Building and lawfully designated lawmaker, in my opinion, that's a clear act of treason on the part of Trump.
Well. I linked Moksha to an article a couple of days ago that bottom lined NG use in DC for the protests:
According to a U.S. defense official, Bowser put in a request on New Year’s Eve to have Guard members on the streets from Tuesday to Thursday to help with the protests. The official said the additional forces will be used for traffic control and other assistance but they will not be armed or wearing body armor. Congress is meeting this week to certify the Electoral College results, and Trump has refused to concede while whipping up support for protests.

Some 340 D.C. National Guard members will be activated, with about 115 on duty in the streets at any given time, said the defense official, who provided details on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The official said Guard members will be used to set up traffic control points around the city and to stand with district police officers at all the city’s Metro stops. Contee said Guard troops will also be used for some crowd management.
My understanding is the NG was to be used in a passive capacity to free up the DC police and Capitol police to, uh, protect the Capitol. Since the DC NG is a non-fed entity, more or less, the President or Veep had to activate them, which takes time and planning and coordination. There’s a LOT of planning and deconflicting that goes into using the NG on American soil, especially if you start edging into other agencies’ lanes.

So, of course the President didn’t do that because he and his administration are idiots. Not that matters to people like Xanax and the jenius because nothing matters to them except for feeling aggrieved at having to pay taxes and other pet issues.

If it were me? I would’ve set up a defensive perimeter around the Capitol with all sorts of assets on hand to nab n’ grab agitators who crossed it. I wouldn’t have tolerated anyone disrupting our democratic process.

But Trump was flirting with insurrection, wasn’t he? He even told the protestors that very day, behind his bullet proof glass facade, that he was going to literally march with them into the Capitol. They literally thought he was going to lead them in their revolution. So OF COURSE he didn’t want the Capitol defended. He was under the delusion he’d waltz into the Capitol, his supporters would seize it for him, and he’d declare whatever and stay in power.

The man should be 25th’d.

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I'm not very comfortable searching the dark corners of the Internet (New Year's resolution: Find a good VPN and change all my passwords!). Does anyone know of the chatter from QAnon, Proud Boys, et al? How is this incident being covered in La La Land?

Merrick Garland is going to be the busiest man in Washington. Trump can find a use for the Post Office: To put up wanted posters for his supporters.
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:28 pm
I'm not very comfortable searching the dark corners of the Internet (New Year's resolution: Find a good VPN and change all my passwords!). Does anyone know of the chatter from QAnon, Proud Boys, et al? How is this incident being covered in La La Land?

Merrick Garland is going to be the busiest man in Washington. Trump can find a use for the Post Office: To put up wanted posters for his supporters.
Proud Boys are saying this was a huge victory because the Capitol hadn’t been taken since 1814, and that this is just the beginning.

This is on the GOP.

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As I understand the planned division of labor, the plan was to have the DC NG, unarmed and without riot gear, assist with crowd control in the city. The DC police would be responsible for security on the streets of DC and the Capitol Police responsible for security on federal land. Of course, all could provide assistance or backup if needed. I suspect that getting the DC NG organized and properly outfitted to assist the Capitol Police with the riot would take a fair amount of time. At some point, the governors of Virginia and Maryland sent guard units to assist, but I haven't heard anything about what they were able to do to assist.
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Unconfirmed, but being spread around Twitter, one of the dudes who died yesterday actually tased himself and had a heart attack. I’m only posting this as an excuse to post this:

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:04 pm
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:55 pm


Do you agree with Mr. Zakaria that Russia perhaps hacked our minds?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
So, your'e back, but you've learned nothing. Your affinity for conspiracy theories and repeated spreading of lies about what Russia actually did in 2016 is part of the problem. You actively enable what happened yesterday, whether through ignorance or maliciousness. I have no intention of responding to silly attempts to derail the conversation.
Read Mr. Zakaria's article. It seems that he equates what any advertiser or the Mormon church does for that matter, with Russia, that is repeating a message over and over again. He makes a broad claim about what any advertiser or propagandist would do, then attaches Russia to it, and voila, Russia supposedly hacked our minds. Anyway, I thought since Biden won, maybe Russia hysteria would subside a bit. However, I guess we need to be forever on guard because there are others out there who might not agree with the correct narrative.

To your response, so you actually are blaming me for what happened yesterday, because I think the "Russia made people vote in Trump" meme to be a weak dodge, designed to distract people from looking at Clinton/DNC emails? Trump almost won and Biden needed a huge turnout otherwise perhaps Trump would have won. Maybe it is time to figure out why people like Trump? What's going on in the country for people to want to vote for a braggart like Trump? Certainly Russia didn't force people to vote one way or another. Perhaps the fact that incomes have been slowly eroding over the past 40 to 50 years has something to do with it? Perhaps Clinton's third way in the 90's where he started taking wall street money and selling out the people had something to do with it? Bush II was horrible and a war criminal, then Obama sided with the bankers and kept the wars going despite the nice hope and change slogan. People are fed up. Perhaps it is the economy that is causing the stress? Maybe the pandemic has something to do with it too?

Even so, hopefully Biden and his administration will take a hard look at the causes of Trumpism and provide an antidote. I think Trump is a symptom of what's wrong as Jimmy Dore, the comedian/commentator says. I bet if Biden offered medicare for all and ended the wars, no one would touch him, despite what the Russians may be planning, if anything.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:31 pm
Proud Boys are saying this was a huge victory because the Capitol hadn’t been taken since 1814, and that this is just the beginning.
Not surprising. This isn't the first idiotic reason they've cited for feeling "proud."
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:49 pm
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Is it my imagination or is that Leonardo DiCaprio?
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:55 pm
He makes a broad claim about what any advertiser or propagandist would do, then attaches Russia to it, and voila, Russia supposedly hacked our minds.
Exiled, do you believe that the QAnon phenomenon exerts any influence over anyone’s thinking or world view? Why, and how?
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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:01 pm
Is it my imagination or is that Leonardo DiCaprio?
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