What is Going on on March 4th?

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Re: What is Going on on March 4th?

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Moksha wrote:
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Bret Ripley wrote:
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I cast my vote for Samna's Ami Pro. IBM bought the Lotus Suite, back when they were sucking up to Microsoft, so they could bury it and leave Microsoft with a monopoly.
That was just IBM employing the old classic double-bluff smokescreen end-run gambit to distract sheeple from noticing that the world is secretly run by OS/2.

Think about it: what is IBM's nickname? Big Blue. What color was chosen for Microsoft's Blue Screen of Death? Now you're getting it.
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canpakes wrote:
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??? I thought the whole QAnon thing had been 100% debunked and discredited.
False. They still have access to both beds and charge cards.
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Re: What is Going on on March 4th?

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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:06 am
In fact, your theory here, Dr. E, is of a favorite variety among right-wing conspiracy nuts -- the "false flag operation". Anytime something goes wrong to make the right look bad they suspect a "false flag". Everything from school shootings perpetrated by the left, to make guns look bad, to the capitol riots, to make the right look bad. You're right at home, unfortunately.
Great observation.

It's the classic character disorder. Everything is everyone else's fault. Take responsibility for nothing.

In other words, the party of Trump.
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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:06 am
Dr. E wrote:It certainly has been debunked and discredited. My guess is that it could have been a hoax designed to make people on the right look foolish. If not, if the person(s) behind it actually believe in the nonsense, it certainly has made a lot of people look foolish.
This suffers from a milder form of the same problem that QAnon conspiracy suffers from: unrealistic faith in the foresight and powers of conspirators.

You could no more have predicted that QAnon, out of the ocean of similar pretended insiders on 4chan, would rise to lead the masses than "Despacito" would become the #1 song on youtube, let alone explain how someone could have realistically planed and executed a conspiracy to assure that it would happen. And just to make the right look bad! of all things.

In fact, your theory here, Dr. E, is of a favorite variety among right-wing conspiracy nuts -- the "false flag operation". Anytime something goes wrong to make the right look bad they suspect a "false flag". Everything from school shootings perpetrated by the left, to make guns look bad, to the capitol riots, to make the right look bad. You're right at home, unfortunately.

Now if you can go back and study the history of QAnon and show some evidence as why you believe this is the case, then I'm listening. But that sounds like real work, doesn't it?
As you should have surmised from my post, I am just guessing at this and really don't care either way. But I think everyone can agree that it has made a lot of people look foolish and is a favorite labeling device against those who stray from the narrative. I guess I have to think that the Q character, whomever this person is, isn't that delusional. But there are the Julie Rowes of the world.

Anyway, you got me, you win, I don't want to waste my time getting you proof for my guess. However, I don't know how anyone can do anything other than guess at who this person is and what his/her motives are. I think you are having to make unproven assumptions as well as we are all in the dark.

Yes, sadly people fell for Q. I don't think realization that one fell for a hoax is deflecting responsibility, though. We were duped into believing that the Q15 was something. I think the same dynamic is at work here with the realization that the religion is false and then guessing at the black box's motives.
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I have a grudging respect for Q. He saw a group of wealthy white people who were dumber than a box of rocks, made them feel like the saviors they desperately want to see themselves as, and convinced the idiots to buy his Merch. First class scam. Nice 👌
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Well, we’re seeing the inevitable results of people cloistering themselves away in tightly controlled echo chambers either through selective moderation, brigading through a voting system, or creating more and more niche bubbles where partisans reinforce ideology. The radicalizing of an electorate is a sort of ‘blockchain’ of content where you create general content Forum A which opens opportunity to create Forum B which is a little friendlier to one’s brain which opens the door to Forum C because forums A & B are filled with wrongthink and assholes. But then it gets really interesting because Forum C partisans begin to assert control over Forum B and eventually that creeps into Forum A.

You can extend the example to additional forums such as D-E-F, but the idea remains.

Most of us on this board like to focus on the Right because it’s easy to paint Conservatism as obstructionist, regressive, and xenophobic. Ironically, a lot of us turn a blind eye to the same behavior being exerted, systematically by the Left, and not accepting that a lot of the political behavior on both sides is driven by partisanship and offensive legislation. The Left is just as guilty as the Right with regard to to the tactics described above, and ironically the Left’s political history is drenched in blood and oppression ‘for the cause’. So much for human rights and liberation. :roll:

Q, the original Q, the troll that began posting on pol saw an opportunity for a larp. As mentioned above, the troll understood his audience and saw an opportunity to foment hysteria and to push the alt-Right poltrolls into a conspiratorial prepper end of days movement because they immediately ate it up. This had, I’m convinced, the unintended effect of bleeding over to social media. Much to Q’s trollish delight people couldn’t wait for another ‘drop’ from the Insider who was spilling secrets about the Deep State. Eventually Q was copycatted and the rest is history.

And now we’re -> here <-.

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I guess I have to think that the Q character, whomever this person is, isn't that delusional. But there are the Julie Rowes of the world.

Anyway, you got me, you win, I don't want to waste my time getting you proof for my guess. However, I don't know how anyone can do anything other than guess at who this person is and what his/her motives are. I think you are having to make unproven assumptions as well as we are all in the dark.

Yes, sadly people fell for Q. I don't think realization that one fell for a hoax is deflecting responsibility, though. We were duped into believing that the Q15 was something. I think the same dynamic is at work here with the realization that the religion is false and then guessing at the black box's motives.
As Cam points out, there probably isn't continuity with Q any more than there is continuity with Isiah. The original Q's success can't possibly be congruent with motives, whatever they may be. The Q on the next chan is probably the site administrators themselves, and issue number one is driving traffic. An analytics firm fed all Q posts to their A.I. and it said the 4chan Q isn't the later version(s). There were a lot of hands in the pot. A variety of influencers were getting the word out. Then there are the conspiracy nerds sometimes called 'bakers' who make elaborate theories from the very vague posts of Q himself.

The point I'm trying to make is that Q really is a community negotiation, and not a plot or set of doctrines by one person or group, even though certainly, many of folks involved with it have their own agendas. It's a mess of contradictions, out right stupidity, and varying agendas, but the beating heart is the possibility that some insider is leaking intel and a certain former president is in absolute control.
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Fox helped pave the way for QAnon. If he could distort further that is because he stood on the shoulders of liars.
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Evidence that Trump supporters live in an alternate universe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKY_C9Ygp4

There is no reasoning with them.
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Re: What is Going on on March 4th?

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Moksha wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:05 am
Evidence that Trump supporters live in an alternate universe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKY_C9Ygp4

There is no reasoning with them.
Yeah, they're dumb as rocks. They're so stupid, nothing they said embarrasses them. It's pretty remarkable.
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