Seminary: bleary eyed brainwashing

[_KimberlyAnn]

So they covered polyandry in seminary? The problems with the Book of Abraham? The textual anachronisms in the Book of Abraham?

Dang, my seminary teachers sucked.

Mine did, too! We never learned any of that stuff, either!

KA

[_Dr. Shades]

This is confirmed by my daughter. After our conversation I had a similiar feeling that he exers may not be on the up and up about it all. My daughter knew all about Emma and her anger etc.

Yeah, but did your daughter learn why Emma was angry?

[_Yoda]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

This is confirmed by my daughter. After our conversation I had a similiar feeling that he exers may not be on the up and up about it all. My daughter knew all about Emma and her anger etc. It seems that they spend some time on it all. The exers must have been sleeping or they joined at a later age. One cannot actually claim victim in all this.

No, it proves that your daughter's seminary teacher spent time on it. And, frankly, that seminary teacher might be in trouble because he/she did.

I have also taught seminary and can confirm with Inconceivable that it is NOT part of the official seminary curriculum. And yes, seminary teachers are strongly counseled to follow the curriculum.

[_beastie]

This is confirmed by my daughter. After our conversation I had a similiar feeling that he exers may not be on the up and up about it all. My daughter knew all about Emma and her anger etc. It seems that they spend some time on it all. The exers must have been sleeping or they joined at a later age. One cannot actually claim victim in all this.

Please answer these questions directly.

Did your daughter's seminary teacher teach his/her students that Joseph Smith married women who had other husbands?

Did your daughter's ST tell the students that Joseph Smith constantly lied to Emma about practicing polygamy?

Did he/she tell your daughter that he deliberately mislead the saints over and over by publicly denying polygamy while privately practicing it?

Or, in fact, did your daughter know that Emma was angry because Joseph Smith wanted to practice polygamy?

Or did she know that Joseph Smith married other women, without knowing any of these crucial details?



I knew Joseph Smith introduced polygamy and I knew it enraged Emma. I knew that many, many women were sealed to Joseph Smith.

However, I did not know that Joseph Smith went against Emma's wishes, consistently lied to her, married other men's wives, etc. I was given the impression that since those sealings took place after Joseph Smith' death, then they were in name only, women who wanted to be sealed to the prophet but had no active relationship in this life.

Some of us were taught the quaint little notion that the first wife had to give her permission for further wives to be taken. Obviously, Emma did not do that. I only found out much later that she agreed to do so once or twice under coercion, and immediately regretted her granting her permission and raised holy heck.

(note, edited several times due to it being Monday)

[_Mercury]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

I call bulls***. The lessons in Seminary are mandated to be followed and are prescribed with set timelines in order to get through it all. All material must be accepted. I seriously doubt you.

[_beastie]

I call bulls***. The lessons in Seminary are mandated to be followed and are prescribed with set timelines in order to get through it all. All material must be accepted. I seriously doubt you.

It's always possible some renegade teacher defied the mandate to stick to approved material.

[_The Nehor]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

I call bulls***. The lessons in Seminary are mandated to be followed and are prescribed with set timelines in order to get through it all. All material must be accepted. I seriously doubt you.

You're welcome to but my experience was what it was. I had intelligent, faithful teachers who knew their stuff and could answer questions and would expand on the history of what happened when and circumstances surrounding events.

[_beastie]

Nehor, you could answer the same questions I asked whyme. I'm curious about the details you learned.

I didn't grow up in the church so didn't attend seminary, but did teach it twice in two different wards. I don't remember Joseph Smith' polygamy being mentioned at all. If it was, it must have been in the same ambiguous way I had confronted it elsewhere in church material.

[_The Nehor]

Did your daughter's seminary teacher teach his/her students that Joseph Smith married women who had other husbands?

Did your daughter's ST tell the students that Joseph Smith constantly lied to Emma about practicing polygamy?

Did he/she tell your daughter that he deliberately mislead the saints over and over by publicly denying polygamy while privately practicing it?

Or, in fact, did your daughter know that Emma was angry because Joseph Smith wanted to practice polygamy?

Or did she know that Joseph Smith married other women, without knowing any of these crucial details?

Okay, I'll answer them in the order received.

1. Yes, though she admitted we knew little about the whys. She was unsure if these were ever consummated.

2. No, but then I'm not sure she was lied to. I suspect she gave consent and then withdrew it.

3. Yes, this we were told. If I remember right she taught that it was revealed after John C. Bennett practiced unauthorized 'spiritual wifery'.

4. This we went over. I remember distinctly the story of Emma being angry and Hyrum taking a copy of the revelation to her to try to talk her around. We spent a day on the reaction of women to polygamy and about half of it focussed on Emma.

5. Not sure what details you're referring to.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

I call bulls***. The lessons in Seminary are mandated to be followed and are prescribed with set timelines in order to get through it all. All material must be accepted. I seriously doubt you.

You're welcome to but my experience was what it was. I had intelligent, faithful teachers who knew their stuff and could answer questions and would expand on the history of what happened when and circumstances surrounding events.

I guess you did not pay attention to the part about the required marriage in the temple? ;)