The anger of exmos...

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guy sajer wrote:Why Me makes the common mistake of projecting his theoretical course of action (theoretical as it exists only the abstract for him--and herein lies another lesson, presuming you'll behave a partiuclar way in the abstract doesn't always play out as supposed in the concrete) as the standard, without acknowledging the very real empirical fact that different people respond differently to the same or similar things. There are a range of responses, typically, and no "right" response. There may be some "wrong" ones, but there are no "right" ones.

Memo to Why Me: YOU do not set the standard for appropriate behavior. Just because YOU'D do something a particular way doesn't mean it is appropriate for everyone else to do it the same way. How is it that you have lived as long as you have and you still haven't figured out this rather self-evident truth?

The stereotype he invokes about "angry" ex-Mos is so old and tired. He's been visiting this board for how long and he still cannot identify the range of personalities and responses on display here?

This does not say much good about his power of perception.


Well, there is always the one that never gets "it." But, he sure is plucky in the way he mashes his battered forehead against the brick wall.

Very well put, guy.
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Re: Is it just me, or...

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Trevor wrote:
Yong Xi wrote:I was thinking they exhibit some common characteristics. I decided that Why Me is Ray A. "lite" or Ray A. in embryo.


Whew! So I am not alone on this. Maybe they are simply pals who are out to show those ex-Mos right.


I kind of like why me. Ray's a lot more apt to be profane and mean-spirited. I don't see a lot of that with why me. His mantra is always, "It's all speculation. No one has proven the church to be untrue." If I had a nickel ...
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Runtu wrote:I kind of like why me. Ray's a lot more apt to be profane and mean-spirited. I don't see a lot of that with why me. His mantra is always, "It's all speculation. No one has proven the church to be untrue." If I had a nickel ...


Ahh, OK. Well, that is better. It may be kind of monotonous, but at least there is less aggression in it.
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why me wrote:I made comments about Korihor on the MAAD board. I think that his position is quite clear. He takes an agnostic/atheist position which seems logical. God cannot be disproven nor at this moment can the Book of Mormon. To say, I do not deny that the LDS church may be true but I don't believe it is true would ease the 'pain'.

I think that exmos would have cause for anger if the church was actually proven false. But not now. There is logic in Korihor.


Well, all that logic did him no good if the Book of Mormon is, indeed, true. Of course, if it isn't, then Korihor is just a fictional character. It just bothers me that you are admonishing people to follow the example of someone who you personally believe to be a villain (or do you think God unjustly punished him?).

I think most people don't deny that there could be a chance the Church might be what it claims to be, but it is an irrational position to uphold. The simplest explanation is that Joseph Smith never saw God; the current prophet stated that withour the first vision, the Church would be a fraud. Hence, the church is either not true or the current prophet is not telling the truth, so there is no point in looking up to him for spiritual guidance.

Or you can believe that Joseph Smith really saw God and Jesus, but it would require you to make all kinds of extra assumptions.

And, of course, the anger is not really caused by the doctrine being probably untrue; as many people have said already, it is the sacrifices required of us in the name of that probably untrue doctrine that make people angry.

Wiccans don't really make me angry even though I think that the basis for their beliefs is rather absurd. Because I've never been a Wiccan and they aren't doing me any harm (in fact, doing no harm is their core belief). So the issue here is not really the beliefs, but rather, what's being done in the name of those beliefs. And if someone leaves the Church, the impact of the Church continues, either on their lives or the lives of others in a way they consider harmful, so the cause for anger is still there.

And, of course, I don't see anything wrong with people manifesting their anger on message boards. I would have a problem
with them going out and shooting other people, but it's not happening. So what's the problem?

Also, why don't you ask juliann why she's so angry and bitter despite being in the only true Church which offers all this incredible happiness? Why attack and mock other people she believes to be her brothers and sisters?

I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with having a testimony or lacking one.
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Zoidberg wrote:Also, why don't you ask juliann why she's so angry and bitter despite being in the only true Church which offers all this incredible happiness? Why attack and mock other people she believes to be her brothers and sisters?

I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with having a testimony or lacking one.


I guess it is really impossible to see that for every mean spirited and spiteful Juliann on your board of obsession, there are 20 counterparts here, of which you are one. Go figure.

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rcrocket wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:Also, why don't you ask juliann why she's so angry and bitter despite being in the only true Church which offers all this incredible happiness? Why attack and mock other people she believes to be her brothers and sisters?

I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with having a testimony or lacking one.


I guess it is really impossible to see that for every mean spirited and spiteful Juliann on your board of obsession, there are 20 counterparts here, of which you are one. Go figure.

rcrocket


I disagree. There are a few cranky folks here, but the ratio is not 20 to 1. And the difference I see is merely that people here use "bad" language more than the angry folks over there.
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RCCROTCHROCKET.........CFR How did you come up with that ratio?
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably.
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Hi Inconceivable...

And no. I'm not happier now (yet). I am still angry, even vexed. But I'll probably get over it in time.


Your's is an interesting post.

I do think that releasing belief is, for many, a very difficult process. It leaves one with all sorts of questions, confusion, and chaos. For most of us, it is not a confortable place nor does it feel like a place of peace or happiness.

But like so much of life, these are the times we grow and develop and discover the depths of our soul!

I just want to give you a little support and reaffirm that there is a light ahead!

I can honestly say that today I feel more peace, more clarity, more happiness, and holiness in my life than I ever did as a believing member. It took a while to find my way but today I am so very thankful I found a more healthy and peaceful way to live... a way that feels so gentle and still. It is difficult to describe the feeling ..... sort of like a quiet lake in early morning. Nothing to try to twist, contort, explain; nothing to rationalize, justify, minimize or deny; no need to make what I feel is good seem bad, or what I think is bad seem good. All this is just gone... and it feels so very refreshing and enlivening.

Anyway... just giving you a little hope! :-)

~dancer~
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Pokatator wrote:CFR How did you come up with that ratio?


Julianne Reynolds = 1

Pokatator
Zoidberg
Roll-over for anything
Ms. Scratch
Kevin Graham
Coggins
Guy Sajer
Infymus
PP
VegasBlight
Trixie
Blixa
Harmony
Some Schmo
Ray A
GIMR
Capt Jack
James Muir
That Moron, James Bond
marg
why me = 21

Oops. Miscounted.

21 to 1.
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rcrocket wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:Also, why don't you ask juliann why she's so angry and bitter despite being in the only true Church which offers all this incredible happiness? Why attack and mock other people she believes to be her brothers and sisters?

I'll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with having a testimony or lacking one.


I guess it is really impossible to see that for every mean spirited and spiteful Juliann on your board of obsession, there are 20 counterparts here, of which you are one.


Really? I call everyone whose opinion on the Church differs from mine an arrogant fool who only wants to inflame? Care to provide a reference?
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