Jersey Girl wrote:Define hell, monkeys. Or anyone...
You didn't ask me but I define it as the space where none of God's presence extends. It's a messed up place
Thanks, Nehor. I think you qualifiy as "or anyone"! The concept of "hell" is a relatively new invention.
If you limit it to what people called hell then yes but the idea of an underworld or place of darkness seems as old as humanity. I'm not big on titles myself
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I am generally saddened by the notion that good people are allowed in hell. Whether the burning hell or the cold hell not touched by God's existance. Being a parent I can tell you that my child would have to do some really, really bad stuff for me to totally cut them off. They would have to prove the lack of a conscience at all.
The way I felt, and the way I feel now, is that there are loving people, good people, productive members of society, faithful spouses, honest, always there to help, who are usually going to somebodys hell. As a Mormon, of course I was told by others I was going to hell. Then as I said earlier I usually felt I was going to hit below my target anway because I couldn't be good ENOUGH. Then now as a former Mormon I'm still going to hell or what-have-you. I just find it sad, is all. No matter what your creed, you're always going to someone's hell.
MishMagnet wrote:I am generally saddened by the notion that good people are allowed in hell. Whether the burning hell or the cold hell not touched by God's existance. Being a parent I can tell you that my child would have to do some really, really bad stuff for me to totally cut them off. They would have to prove the lack of a conscience at all.
The way I felt, and the way I feel now, is that there are loving people, good people, productive members of society, faithful spouses, honest, always there to help, who are usually going to somebodys hell. As a Mormon, of course I was told by others I was going to hell. Then as I said earlier I usually felt I was going to hit below my target anway because I couldn't be good ENOUGH. Then now as a former Mormon I'm still going to hell or what-have-you. I just find it sad, is all. No matter what your creed, you're always going to someone's hell.
This is a classic example of playing One Up. Of stepping on someone in order to feel bigger, better, more special. If you're going to hell because you aren't one of us, then that means we aren't going to hell. We are therefore better than you, which makes us feel much better about our sorry lives.
Everyone plays One Up, even though we're all in exactly the same boat.
barrelomonkeys wrote:I'm not playing one up! I don't think any of us are going to hell! Not a one of us. :)
Everyone plays One Up. You're playing it too; you're don't think any of us are going to hell. That puts you above anyone who thinks someone [else] is going to hell.