A woman is not raped unless she considers she has been. Now do you understand what I am saying? Women acquiese to sexual intercourse for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with a mutually satisfying experience.
How women view their experiences is dependent upon their culture, and whether or not they view themselves as having the right to “own” their own bodies.
In regards to women “acquiescing” to sexual intercourse for a lot of reasons:
A. Woman acquiesces to have sex despite the fact that she doesn’t enjoy it to appease her husband.
B. Woman acquiesces to have sex with a stranger because if she protests and makes noise, people will find out about it. The man may end up punished, which would please her, but her punishment, as damaged goods, will be far worst, in addition to the possible punishment for doing something that “asked for it”, in her culture – you know, like leaving the house alone.
As I have already stated, these events are worlds apart, and to conflate the two in anyway is counter-productive. When you continually remind us that women have sex for many reasons, you are conflating the two. You can't really view A and B as equivalent, or do you?
I read the link. I just don't see this as meaning we no longer have a society which isn't essentiallly patriarchal. There have been moves away from the end, but no longer patriarchal? No.
Once again, I’m left wondering if you even read posts you respond to. I suspect you read the first couple of sentences and that’s it.
Here’s what I actually said:
Eighty years ago this would have been an accurate statement, but it is not any longer. While women lag behind men due to social habits, our legal system is no longer based on patriarchy.
The Mormon church has institutionalized patriarchy.
Patriarchy, of course, manifests itself on a continuum, which you, yourself, conceded by referring to "extreme patriarchal societies". You know, the ones where women can't be raped.
Notice the bolded phrase – the one Charity either didn’t bother to read or ignored.
This is why discussing anything with Charity is maddening. You have to spend pages establishing the most basic, obvious, points.
You can't establish anything without looking at the "average" incidence. Who is being raped? Who are the rapists?
For instance, the incidence of deaths by gunshot is higher than the average among black men in the late teens-early twenties. So, if you ask the question "Why is it that black men are shot at a rate higher than average in the United States which is predominantly white?" you really need to know that the majority of shooters of young black men are other young black men.
And where, pray tell, am I supposed to find that sort of detailed information about rape? I would definitely be interested in it.
Because there is "extremely" religious and then there is "devout" and never the twain shall meet.
What the heck? Do you have some secret definition of “extremely religious” to which the rest of us aren’t privy?
Well, then maybe I should cut you a little slack. If you don't know how to deal with sociological reports, then you can't be blamed as much.
I do expect more from you, since you have training in sociology and psychology. It disgusts me that someone who has been trained in these fields would make some of the statements you make. For example:
Scenario – Woman walks to a nearby market at dusk alone. A strange man pulls her off the path into some bushes or another hidden area, and has sex with her. He does not ask her permission, is not interested in her permission.
If this scenario took place in the US, the woman would likely label this rape and report it to the police. She would be able to have access to medical care and legal support. It is true that in the US many women would prefer to keep the event secret to avoid being viewed as tainted, or avoid being accused of making the whole thing up and having questionable morals, but generally women at least view this as an option.
If this scenario took place in a repressive patriarchal society, the woman would likely just say nothing about it. She would not have access to medical care or legal support, anyway. If she called “rape” and sought help, the man may well be punished, but she would run the risk of being stoned or lashed herself. In addition, she would be damaged goods with no hope of a decent future.
According to Charity, the exact same act is rape when it occurs in the US, and not rape when it occurs in the repressive patriarchal society that has stripped women of rights.