John Larsen wrote:Why should anyone have to resign at all? What kind of organization continues to claim a relationship with people who have disassociated with it.
Of course I am referring to those who have quit going.
I agree. One of the biggest problems I have with the church is the overbearing beaurocracy. Why do people have to jump through hoops to no longer be a Mormon? It's easier to quit AOL than it is to leave the church.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.
You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.
You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!
I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.
Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..
....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.
now THAT'S pretentious!
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.
You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!
I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.
Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..
....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.
now THAT'S pretentious!
A person can't be pretentious if it is true. When a person makes a claim as being an insider, it isn't pretentious if it is really true. But a person claiming to be an "insider" based on teaching in the CES is being pretentious. A person who has seen God isn't being pretentious to say so.
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.
You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!
I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.
Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..
....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.
now THAT'S pretentious!
A person can't be pretentious if it is true. When a person makes a claim as being an insider, it isn't pretentious if it is really true. But a person claiming to be an "insider" based on teaching in the CES is being pretentious. A person who has seen God isn't being pretentious to say so.
...unless he made it up. Which is far more likely than Grant Palmer's "pretentious claim" of being an Insider that understands church history better than 99% of the LDS members...
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
BishopRic wrote: ...unless he made it up. Which is far more likely than Grant Palmer's "pretentious claim" of being an Insider that understands church history better than 99% of the LDS members...
We have each seen the same evidence. I chose to believe based on what I see, and you chose not to believe. We made out choice.