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_SatanWasSetUp
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Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

John Larsen wrote:Why should anyone have to resign at all? What kind of organization continues to claim a relationship with people who have disassociated with it.

Of course I am referring to those who have quit going.


I agree. One of the biggest problems I have with the church is the overbearing beaurocracy. Why do people have to jump through hoops to no longer be a Mormon? It's easier to quit AOL than it is to leave the church.
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_charity
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Post by _charity »

I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.
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charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post by _moksha »

BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!


Hey, with that insider status you can get discounts at the 7-11.
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Post by _charity »

BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!


I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.
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charity wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!


I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.


Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..

....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.

now THAT'S pretentious!
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post by _Mercury »

moksha wrote:Possibly when those wanting to ferret out the non-conformists become too rabid and numerous.


too late to pass that threshold. that's been true since joe skipped bail in Kirtland.
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Post by _charity »

BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!


I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.


Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..

....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.

now THAT'S pretentious!


A person can't be pretentious if it is true. When a person makes a claim as being an insider, it isn't pretentious if it is really true. But a person claiming to be an "insider" based on teaching in the CES is being pretentious. A person who has seen God isn't being pretentious to say so.
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Post by _BishopRic »

charity wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:
BishopRic wrote:
charity wrote:I think it is honest to resign when the person no longer believes but maintains membership so he/she can claim insider status.


You're really hung up on that "insider" word, aren't you?!


I am hung up on people making pretentious claims.


Like "I saw God and Jesus in a grove, no, it was an Angel, no, it was a dream..

....his name was Nephi -- oops, Moroni fits better...yeah, that's it, it was Moroni.

now THAT'S pretentious!


A person can't be pretentious if it is true. When a person makes a claim as being an insider, it isn't pretentious if it is really true. But a person claiming to be an "insider" based on teaching in the CES is being pretentious. A person who has seen God isn't being pretentious to say so.


...unless he made it up. Which is far more likely than Grant Palmer's "pretentious claim" of being an Insider that understands church history better than 99% of the LDS members...
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Post by _charity »

BishopRic wrote:
...unless he made it up. Which is far more likely than Grant Palmer's "pretentious claim" of being an Insider that understands church history better than 99% of the LDS members...


We have each seen the same evidence. I chose to believe based on what I see, and you chose not to believe. We made out choice.
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