Oh look! Another rich white lawyer called as Apostle

[_moksha]

Looks like he gives good hugs....

[_Mister Scratch]

To people like Boaz and Lydia, Beastie, Harmony, Scratch et al, none of this is really pertinent as a matter of principle. When the Church starts calling rich Black lawyers to be Apostles, the secular leftist critics will call all of them tokens and lawn jockeys.

Its all in the game.

This seems to miss the point entirely. I personally don't care whether or not the Church calls apostles on the basis of race. I genuinely think that apostles ought to be chose on the basis of spiritual insight. Sadly, this presently isn't the case. There's nary a fisherman, carpenter, or school teacher to be found amongst the Brethren. Instead, it seems they've all been chosen on the basis of nepotism and secular accomplishment.

[_cinepro]

To people like Boaz and Lydia, Beastie, Harmony, Scratch et al, none of this is really pertinent as a matter of principle. When the Church starts calling rich Black lawyers to be Apostles, the secular leftist critics will call all of them tokens and lawn jockeys.

Its all in the game.

This seems to miss the point entirely. I personally don't care whether or not the Church calls apostles on the basis of race. I genuinely think that apostles ought to be chose on the basis of spiritual insight. Sadly, this presently isn't the case. There's nary a fisherman, carpenter, or school teacher to be found amongst the Brethren. Instead, it seems they've all been chosen on the basis of nepotism and secular accomplishment.

You'll be thrilled to learn that President Packer is a teacher (Ed. d from BYU). :)

[_Mister Scratch]

To people like Boaz and Lydia, Beastie, Harmony, Scratch et al, none of this is really pertinent as a matter of principle. When the Church starts calling rich Black lawyers to be Apostles, the secular leftist critics will call all of them tokens and lawn jockeys.

Its all in the game.

This seems to miss the point entirely. I personally don't care whether or not the Church calls apostles on the basis of race. I genuinely think that apostles ought to be chose on the basis of spiritual insight. Sadly, this presently isn't the case. There's nary a fisherman, carpenter, or school teacher to be found amongst the Brethren. Instead, it seems they've all been chosen on the basis of nepotism and secular accomplishment.

You'll be thrilled to learn that President Packer is a teacher (Ed. d from BYU). :)

Lol... No, no---I'm aware of Elder Packer's doctorate. I'm referring more to a salt-of-the earth, "normal" teacher who puts in long hours each day. BKP doesn't fit that bill, I'm afraid.

[_antishock8]

Except it's not a business, it's a church.

Oh?

http://www.salamandersociety.com/legal/

[_CaliforniaKid]

To people like Boaz and Lydia, Beastie, Harmony, Scratch et al, none of this is really pertinent as a matter of principle. When the Church starts calling rich Black lawyers to be Apostles, the secular leftist critics will call all of them tokens and lawn jockeys.

Its all in the game.

This seems to miss the point entirely. I personally don't care whether or not the Church calls apostles on the basis of race. I genuinely think that apostles ought to be chose on the basis of spiritual insight. Sadly, this presently isn't the case. There's nary a fisherman, carpenter, or school teacher to be found amongst the Brethren. Instead, it seems they've all been chosen on the basis of nepotism and secular accomplishment.

Priestcraft at its best and brightest!

[_Jason Bourne]

Lol... No, no---I'm aware of Elder Packer's doctorate. I'm referring more to a salt-of-the earth, "normal" teacher who puts in long hours each day. BKP doesn't fit that bill, I'm afraid.

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oh I don't know. BKP started out from pretty humble beginnings and entered pre CES as a seminary teacher.

Pres Monson was into printing I think and worked for the Deseret news.

Holland was a seminary teacher and then institute to start with. Eyring a college professor as was Bednar pre BYUI. Scott was a scientist/Nuclear engineer. Ballard was owner a car dealership. So there is some diversity there.

[_Mister Scratch]

Lol... No, no---I'm aware of Elder Packer's doctorate. I'm referring more to a salt-of-the earth, "normal" teacher who puts in long hours each day. BKP doesn't fit that bill, I'm afraid.

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oh I don't know. BKP started out from pretty humble beginnings and entered pre CES as a seminary teacher.

In other words: he has been a "company man" from the get-go.

Pres Monson was into printing I think and worked for the Deseret news.

Holland was a seminary teacher and then institute to start with. Eyring a college professor as was Bednar pre BYUI. Scott was a scientist/Nuclear engineer. Ballard was owner a car dealership. So there is some diversity there.

Sure, there's "some" diversity, but, oddly, none of the sort I mentioned. I just find it striking that all of the Brethren come from successful secular backgrounds. Where are the fishermen, the carpenters, the working-class apostles? These were the sort of folks who got called during the days of Christ's ministry. Clearly, some kind of "shift" has taken place. Today, it seems that material success is a more important requirement for apostleship than spiritual giftedness.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Where is it written that apostles must be representative of some ethnic group?

The press ask questions of representation at every dog and pony show after each new apostle assignment.

They ask the same question I have asked. In a church who continually touts its supposed "international" membership, why do we still not see them represented in the 12?

I will tell you why.

Inactive Mexican and southern American members do not care.

The majority of the "international" members are completely inactive. Many have never stepped foot in an LDS chapel.

Inactive, non due paying(a.k.a. tithing) need no representation.

Again, LDS leadership knows which side of the bread to butter and that is the WHITE side.

The "international" membership number serve one purpose, to keep the white members feeling like they are part of a growing religion and thereby keeps them paying their dues and indoctrinating their unwitting spawn to do the same.

[_Kolohe]

Ya, The Savior was no better. Out of all the books in the Bible, only 2 were written by a non-jew(Mark and Acts).

We need fewer white, rich, lawyers in the 12; what we need is a poor brown australian aborigine then all of the international members will be so shallow as to say "hey that guy has just as much melinine in his skin as I do. I think its time for me to repent of my sins and come unto Christ".


What a joke!!!


It doesn't matter what color an apostle is or where he comes from; what matters is his message and authority, not the color of his hide.

These same people who gripe about a lack of affirmative action in priesthood are the same peoiple who would complain if we had a mexican or black apotsle. They would say : "Oh ya, he is only getting in cuz he's black/brown. Its al a ploy by the Church to boost minority membership and reactivate members south of the equator".

No one ever mentions the fact that Marion G. Romney and Pres. Eyrings dad were both born and raised in Colonia Juarez; which makes them Mexican.
Nope, people focus on skin color and say "Pres. Romeny and Pres. Ehyring can't claim mexican-ness they are whoite guys"; this is just as dumb as saying Alberto Gonzales and Rosario Marin(her name is on your money) arent american because they are not white.

For those who know that the callings to the 12 come from Jesus Christ himself, the only color that means anything is the color of divine revelation.
For those who think these callings come from men, no color, ethnicity or socio economic background will due. They will criticize, vilify and ignore General Conference just the same.