Could God Order...
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Tarski wrote:Gadianton wrote:So how about answering the question LoP? Would you be undoing the rainfly in service of your God?
he he
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Math professor. There is a difference. And 3 questions:
1. This is a yahoo chat?
2. What do you know of my weight?
3. Trolling?
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Tarski wrote:Gadianton wrote:So how about answering the question LoP? Would you be undoing the rainfly in service of your God?
he he
The 51-year-old overweight yahoo-chat-trolling math teacher is laughing at the homosexual jokes.
Ouch! Sounds like you are just lashing out, LOP. I'm sure some board will let you be a moderator, someday. I never said it would be easy: only that it would be worthit.
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Re: Could God Order...
Gadianton wrote:Homosexuality? I'm not asking if he ever has or based on what we know, could we ever envision a time where he would. Remember, our thoughts are not God's thoughts, simply I'm asking, could he? Etc.
Well put, Gad! Of course god could order homosexuality, as he did polygamy, murder, genocide, mutilation, drowning, the downfall of the human race, etc. Homosexuality is probably next on His Exhalted list of challenges to human faith. It must be next.
What about human abortion? Yea, even late-term. Symbolic of Jesus' sacrifice, of course, since a fetus is without sin.
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LoaP just isn't mature enough to recognize that Gad's argument is not only right, but has already been conceded by wade elsewhere:
On the Wade and Shermer thread, we were discussing the idea that NAMBLA adheres to: that it's beneficial for young boys to have sex with older men. My original point was to clearly demonstrate that shermer was correct, and that intelligent people can and do form beliefs for reasons that have nothing to do with their intelligence, but then use that intelligence to construct defenses of those beliefs. But the conversation took an interesting turn when I asked wade:
Wade's answer:
LoaP just hasn't been in Mormon apologetics long enough to recognize the truth about his own belief system. Whatever God says, goes, even if directly contradicts God's previous commandments.
On the Wade and Shermer thread, we were discussing the idea that NAMBLA adheres to: that it's beneficial for young boys to have sex with older men. My original point was to clearly demonstrate that shermer was correct, and that intelligent people can and do form beliefs for reasons that have nothing to do with their intelligence, but then use that intelligence to construct defenses of those beliefs. But the conversation took an interesting turn when I asked wade:
How about if God revealed to his prophet, and then verified to you, that it was good for men to have sex with young boys? Would your opinion change then?
Wade's answer:
I don't know for sure? It depends on the strength and nature of the verification. It's possible that I might change my opinion after reasoning the matter through. However, I tend not to give such valueless (to me) hypotheticals much thought, since they tend not to reflect my experience in this world.
LoaP just hasn't been in Mormon apologetics long enough to recognize the truth about his own belief system. Whatever God says, goes, even if directly contradicts God's previous commandments.
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It makes more sense to say that one could claim that God ordered anything, since there's no evidence that "God" has ordered any or all of the things asserted in the OP. As those are just human claims, any human claim could be asserted similarly without verification.
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Well, since there is no god, of any sort, this is a false premise. Homosexuality is just normal. It's replete throughout nature. The idea that there's an invisible man-god ordering people to be homosexual is... Well, it's... It's probably one of the most absurd things I've ever been asked to imagine.
Big Gay Man-God (with an ascot): Hellooo!!! Hey there you little yummy man thingies. Since y'all are in some SERIOUS need of color coordinating and clearly lack the ability to dance, I'm hereby ordering to be gay like me! Yay! Now, go on and get those fishnet sleeveless shirts on you silly little gooses! Mwah! Love ya!
Most Men: crap.
Some Men: *squeal!!*
Madonna: Zephyr in the sky at night I wonder
Do my tears of mourning sink beneath the sun
She's got herself a universe gone quickly
For the call of thunder threatens everyone
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
Faster than the speeding light she's flying
Trying to remember where it all began
She's got herself a little piece of heaven
Waiting for the time when Earth shall be as one
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years
She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe
And I feel
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light she's flying
Quicker than a ray of light I'm flying
Big Gay Man-God (with an ascot): Hellooo!!! Hey there you little yummy man thingies. Since y'all are in some SERIOUS need of color coordinating and clearly lack the ability to dance, I'm hereby ordering to be gay like me! Yay! Now, go on and get those fishnet sleeveless shirts on you silly little gooses! Mwah! Love ya!
Most Men: crap.
Some Men: *squeal!!*
Madonna: Zephyr in the sky at night I wonder
Do my tears of mourning sink beneath the sun
She's got herself a universe gone quickly
For the call of thunder threatens everyone
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
Faster than the speeding light she's flying
Trying to remember where it all began
She's got herself a little piece of heaven
Waiting for the time when Earth shall be as one
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years
She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe
She's got herself a universe
And I feel
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light she's flying
Quicker than a ray of light I'm flying
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beastie wrote:LoaP just isn't mature enough to recognize that Gad's argument is not only right, but has already been conceded by wade elsewhere:
On the Wade and Shermer thread, we were discussing the idea that NAMBLA adheres to: that it's beneficial for young boys to have sex with older men. My original point was to clearly demonstrate that shermer was correct, and that intelligent people can and do form beliefs for reasons that have nothing to do with their intelligence, but then use that intelligence to construct defenses of those beliefs. But the conversation took an interesting turn when I asked wade:How about if God revealed to his prophet, and then verified to you, that it was good for men to have sex with young boys? Would your opinion change then?
Wade's answer:I don't know for sure? It depends on the strength and nature of the verification. It's possible that I might change my opinion after reasoning the matter through. However, I tend not to give such valueless (to me) hypotheticals much thought, since they tend not to reflect my experience in this world.
LoaP just hasn't been in Mormon apologetics long enough to recognize the truth about his own belief system. Whatever God says, goes, even if directly contradicts God's previous commandments.
If wade said it, it's got to be true. I guess I'm too young to understand. I better go back to the kids table where everyone is just as egocentric, but less pretentious.
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one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!
-Omar Khayaam
*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*