Nightingale wrote:Mister Scratch wrote:
Well, now Prof. P. is stating very openly that, even from the perspective of his Mopologetic eyes, the Church is sometimes dishonest:I've observed several cases where statements from Church members or even from the Public Affairs Department have seemed to me not to be as straightforward as I would have preferred.
I've been around long enough now to know the answer to this one:
Statements from church members or the PAD do not constitute statements from The Church!
Therefore, it is not The Church that is being "not straightforward".
I am not sure, in fact, which statements *are* attributed to "The Church". It could be only The Big Three or maybe only The Prophet but even then, only sometimes.
Yup, you're right about that. Look at this latest gripe:
Daniel Peterson wrote: My Malevolent Stalker [TM] says that I've now admitted that "the Church is sometimes dishonest."
He's wrong. I haven't.
He seldom gets anything right. Not where I'm concerned, anyway. I can't tell whether it's by design or owing to incapacity.
My .02 is this: if official representatives of the LDS Church do something that is "not straightforward," and, in fact, if they do such things multiple times, then it is perfectly reasonable to state that "the Church is sometimes dishonest." In any case, the original JFS quote basically has him advising a member to lie about the Christ-Marriage doctrine---i.e., "Don't cast your pearls," etc.