Quite a few teachers abuse their students and there are even some clearly formed patterns about how they escape and go to another school to continue abuse. I just don't think most teachers are pedaphiles. I think most teachers are wonder people (yes, most male teachers too).
You're talking about the pattern an individual establishes. Seth is talking about the pattern that an entire group establishes.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Sethbag wrote:Quite a few of them do. It's enough to clearly form a pattern that can be recognized. Religious alpha-male, self-proclaimed "Prophets" often end up in bed with their followers. This guy did it. David Koresh did it. Quite a few others throughout history have done it. And Joseph Smith did it.
Quite a few teachers abuse their students and there are even some clearly formed patterns about how they escape and go to another school to continue abuse. I just don't think most teachers are pedaphiles. I think most teachers are wonder people (yes, most male teachers too).
So, when you find out that your favorite, beloved teacher actually was proven to have molested some of his students at his previous school, do you recognize that he fits the pattern of an abuser, or do you make excuses for him about how, in his case, people are simply wrong about him?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
asbestosman wrote:Have there ever been any gay "prophets" who claim God commanded them to take lots of men?
No, because then he'd have to kill them.
Why? Must one believe in the Old Testament to claim prophethood? Or are you saying that even though people will give teenage daughters to heterosexual prophets there is no way they'd give themselves over to a gay prophet to be used? I think you underestimate the faith of believers.
Ok. Out of curiosity, are you pursuing this because you think it helps in any wayt?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Quite a few teachers abuse their students and there are even some clearly formed patterns about how they escape and go to another school to continue abuse. I just don't think most teachers are pedaphiles. I think most teachers are wonder people (yes, most male teachers too).
You're talking about the pattern an individual establishes. Seth is talking about the pattern that an entire group establishes.
Actually what I'm talking about crosses lines. Many pedophile teachers have done this and it establishes a pattern for how those pedophile teachers have been able to evade prosecution and go on to abuse more children.
While several charismatic leaders do shack up with followers, I'm not convinced that most do.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Sethbag wrote:So, when you find out that your favorite, beloved teacher actually was proven to have molested some of his students at his previous school, do you recognize that he fits the pattern of an abuser, or do you make excuses for him about how, in his case, people are simply wrong about him?
I do not make excuses for people I know abuse others (unless the person is truly insane and cannot tell the difference between right and wrong).
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Sethbag wrote:Ok. Out of curiosity, are you pursuing this because you think it helps in any wayt?
No. I was persuing it (the gay angle) for humor.
I doubt posting on this board helps anything.
Ok, and just in case you thought I didn't get it, I really did, but I was laughing on the inside, so you might not have noticed. ;-)
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Pokatator wrote:This just puts the Warren Jeffs and David Koresh types of the world on the same level as Joseph Smith. It's just plain pathetic for them to stoop so low.
I don't understand why so many people can't see the parallels.
As an aside, this pattern is one of the elements that persuaded me, several years ago, that one function of religion, like art and music, is to provide a stage for peacocks to strut for peahens.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.