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_William Schryver
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Post by _William Schryver »

dartagnan wrote:I hacked Will's computer last year.

You're either joking or lying. It matters little to me which it is.
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_dartagnan
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Post by _dartagnan »

You're either joking or lying. It matters little to me which it is.


Of course I'm joking.

Well.... kinda.

I did get it from your "business" website www.eschatos.org

You left your image folder open to the public (www.eschatos.org/Images/)

It seems that you couldn't figure out how to secure your images from outside parties so you just removed them entirely from the site. I see now you rely on photobucket.com. My little nephew uses that one too.
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Post by _CaliforniaKid »

Brent,

Out of curiosity, do you agree with Kevin's explanation for this locus? Or do you have an explanation of your own to be disclosed at some future date?

-Chris
_Brent Metcalfe
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Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Does anyone know how to turn off the autocorrect feature? I'm trying to post a message that includes instances of a standalone lowercase "I." In preview, the lowercase is automatically converted to uppercase.

Cheers,

</brent>
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

Brent Metcalfe wrote:Does anyone know how to turn off the autocorrect feature? I'm trying to post a message that includes instances of a standalone lowercase "I." In preview, the lowercase is automatically converted to uppercase.

Cheers,

</brent>


You can't. Doc G.N. Shades gets physically ill at the possibility of a lower case I standing all by its lonesome. I'm sure you understand. The smilies gave him an ulcer and we really are worried about his health.
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Post by _dartagnan »

I didn't know there was such a feature.

I guess you could upload it to your website and link us to it like you did above.
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_Brent Metcalfe
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Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Hi Chris,

Yes, future publications will offer several text-critical annotations for the three parallel texts. (I do agree with Kevin's key observations, by the way.)

For example, in BoAbr ms. 1a (fldr. 2), 4.21 the lowercase "I" in "Sarai" overwrites the terminal stroke of the second "a," though the ink tone is consistent with the surrounding text; by contrast, the colon in line 4.27 is in a perceptibly darker ink than the surrounding text.

FYI, I've corrected a few items in my notes to match my latest typographical facsimiles (see here).

Please note that there is more (perhaps conclusive) evidence that Warren Parrish included the whole Egyptian character grouping in BoAbr ms. 2 (fldr. 1), p. 7. (Remember, Parrish's ms. 2 [fldr. 1] is largely a copy of his ms. 1b [fldr. 3].)

Two methods of erasing freshly written text are pervasive in early-19thC documents: 1) rubbing out (or rewetting and then rubbing out) using a finger or cloth; and 2) scraping off using a knife or other edged instrument.

When Parrish copied his ms. 1b (fldr. 3) into ms. 2 (fldr. 1), he tried to anticipate where the two Egyptian characters would fall on page 7 (keep in mind that some of this text terminated on page 6 of Parrish's ms. 1b [fldr. 3])—he misjudged. Parrish then eradicated the two Egyptian characters using technique 2)... as we can see:


    Image

... hmmm...

I wonder where else we could find characters written in anticipation of the English text... Image

My best,

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_CaliforniaKid
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Post by _CaliforniaKid »

Brent,

In your color photos, do you see any evidence that there were ever Egyptian characters accompanying the penultimate line in MS 2?

-Chris
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Post by _antishock8 »

KEP translation of the following statement:

English- I cannot believe the level of horses*** one has to subscribe to in order to keep this issue afloat. If there were ever a better example of apologists being overt, nay, flagrant con men, then this issue, this thread, and related apologetic discussions about the Book of Abraham are it.

KEP symbol- *
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Post by _dartagnan »

Thanks for sharing that Brent. Wow. What a revelation.

This pretty much kills the apologetic argument that says the characters had no correlation to any part of the text. Will's claim that they were thrown about at "random" is refuted by this single photo. What could possibly be his explanation for this I wonder. Is suspect they'll leave it alone as another "unanswered" question.

But perhaps more importantly, this goes to reinforce what I said earlier about Will not being trustworthy in anything he offers. Virtually any analysis will be apologetically motivated. Clearly Will, Brian and even Nibley had already noticed this erasure. With their first hand access and their super duper 100mb hi-res scans, how could they have possibly missed it? I don't believe they did. Not with Will having analyzed these texts as "carefully and thoroughly as anyone" as he frequently gloats.

I simply believe they were taking advantage of the fact that the majority of us were working with microfilm scans that didn't reveal this textual phenomenon.

Again, thanks so much for sharing this!
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