John Larsen wrote: But if the gospel is false, then Paul might have just been making that up--he had no real way to know that a false gospel would make men "most miserable". It is possible that living a delusion might very well make one happy.
But if he wasn't making it up then he would know.
Maybe. Prophets are notorious for not being able to differentiate revelation from their own random thoughts.
John Larsen wrote: But if the gospel is false, then Paul might have just been making that up--he had no real way to know that a false gospel would make men "most miserable". It is possible that living a delusion might very well make one happy.
But if he wasn't making it up then he would know.
Maybe. Prophets are notorious for not being able to differentiate revelation from their own random thoughts.
Yes but when you have the Holy Ghost to sort it out it gets a lot easier.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
John Larsen wrote: But if the gospel is false, then Paul might have just been making that up--he had no real way to know that a false gospel would make men "most miserable". It is possible that living a delusion might very well make one happy.
But if he wasn't making it up then he would know.
Maybe. Prophets are notorious for not being able to differentiate revelation from their own random thoughts.
Yes but when you have the Holy Ghost to sort it out it gets a lot easier.
Are you suggesting that the prophets don't have the Holy Ghost?
John Larsen wrote: But if the gospel is false, then Paul might have just been making that up--he had no real way to know that a false gospel would make men "most miserable". It is possible that living a delusion might very well make one happy.
But if he wasn't making it up then he would know.
Maybe. Prophets are notorious for not being able to differentiate revelation from their own random thoughts.
Yes but when you have the Holy Ghost to sort it out it gets a lot easier.
Are you suggesting that the prophets don't have the Holy Ghost?
Nope
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Is there any publicly verifiable evidence that Presidents of the CoJCoLDS have shown judgment in matters with practical consequences that is (by and large, and on the whole) better than the run of other comparable people in senior management positions?
I rather think not. The Holy Ghost does not seem to make them any better than anybody else at deciding what is or is not the case.
But perhaps someone can give me some evidence (as opposed to assertion of the cocksure one-liner kind) that my impression is false?
Please explain how if:
1. The holy ghost can be relied upon to resolve ambiguity
However
2. The Prophets have the Holy Ghost
3. The Prophets are unable to resolve ambiguity.
4. Therefore the Holy Ghost cannot be relied upon to resolve ambiguity.
John Larsen wrote:Please explain how if: 1. The holy ghost can be relied upon to resolve ambiguity
However
2. The Prophets have the Holy Ghost 3. The Prophets are unable to resolve ambiguity. 4. Therefore the Holy Ghost cannot be relied upon to resolve ambiguity.
The Prophets teach. Some of it comes from the Holy Ghost and some from them. Then the listener uses the Holy Ghost to tell the difference.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Wouldn't it be better if the prophets used the HG before they just started teaching truths mixed with untruths? Why, when they have this wonderful gift that allows one to determine truth, would they not use it? They don't seem very useful, these prophets.
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John Larsen wrote:Please explain how if: 1. The holy ghost can be relied upon to resolve ambiguity
However
2. The Prophets have the Holy Ghost 3. The Prophets are unable to resolve ambiguity. 4. Therefore the Holy Ghost cannot be relied upon to resolve ambiguity.
The Prophets teach. Some of it comes from the Holy Ghost and some from them. Then the listener uses the Holy Ghost to tell the difference.
That undercuts the whole foundation of Mormonism. If the source for truth is the Holy Ghost directly and not the prophet, why have the prophet at all? why not just use the Holy Ghost filter on the world information directly? They way you describe things, you would be better just to go to the library and have the Holy Ghost tell you what is right and wrong. The prophet serves no function whatsoever.
Canucklehead wrote:Wouldn't it be better if the prophets used the HG before they just started teaching truths mixed with untruths? Why, when they have this wonderful gift that allows one to determine truth, would they not use it? They don't seem very useful, these prophets.
Because doing so would make the listener lazy. If everything you heard was straight from God's brain to your ears we'd become the automatons so many here think we are.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo