harmony wrote:[Nor am I a critic, except for things which deserve to be criticized.
As contrasted, happily, with all those critics of things that they believe don't deserve to be criticized.
You're staring at me again. Is that a twinkle I see in your eyes?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
LOAP wrote:I'd call harmony a Mormon mostly on account that she says she is one. Had she not made that explicit, I would have believed her a lapsed or disaffected Mormon.
So, Life, how would you "categorize" me? Just curious, since I'm a Mormon, too. ;)
You seem like a very nice, thick-skinned person who isn't prone to take or give offense if it can be avoided. I get the impression you are a "cultural Mormon," who doesn't believe the Church is "true" as Mormons typically understand the phrase.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
harmony wrote:Just Me, I'm as Mormon as you are. Try to remember that.
Big diff between you and Kerry is that you are not neck deep up Dan's ass.
Kerry is JAPSU(just another Peterson suck up)
... our church isn't true, but we have to keep up appearances so we don't get shunned by our friends and family, fired from our jobs, kicked out of our homes, ... Please don't tell on me. ~maklelan
harmony wrote:Just because the plates were tangible doesn't mean they were divine
True, and I never suggested otherwise.
But the tangibility of the plates means that they were real, which corroborates an important element of Joseph's story and removes it from the realm of purely subjective hallucination.
Corroborated by an outside unbiased, unrelated, third party?
Why did he not show the plates to Emma's father Isaac Hale? If they were as real as you seem to believe the witnesses claim, then would they not have been as real to Isaac to physically see and feel?
Or was he in the wrong frame of mind?
... our church isn't true, but we have to keep up appearances so we don't get shunned by our friends and family, fired from our jobs, kicked out of our homes, ... Please don't tell on me. ~maklelan
Jersey Girl wrote: I suppose if Kerry were actually "neck deep up Dan's ass" it would have to be a step up from your position with your head up your own.
No?
Don't mince words, Jersey, and try to less politically correct. :)
Daniel Peterson wrote:I believe that the Book of Mormon was translated from the golden plates.
Neo wrote:I am trying to tell you that what you said contradicts what the witnesses described.
Daniel Peterson wrote:No it doesn't.
And I know extremely well what the witnesses said.
There is no conflict.
Since you know extremely well what the witnesses said, please enlighten me with something they said that demonstrates that the golden plates were used or were even present during the translation.
LifeOnaPlate wrote:There is a lot of LDS art I don't particularly care for. I came to a point in my faith when I realized some of the artists depictions were not how I would personally depict things. I felt okay about it and looked for art that better suited my taste.
Doesn't that strike you as deceitful. If not, why?