Steve and Barbara Young headed to a court of love??

[_Jason Bourne]

Yes. The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Technical correction. It is no longer the Corp of the Pres....it is now the Corp of the Presiding Bishop.

[_bcspace]

2% apostate?

If I were constructing such a measurement system, I would not simply divide among numbers of doctrines disbelieved, I would give heavy weight to how public you are and the criticalness/seriousness of the doctrine or sin such as the family or grievious sins such as fornication and adultery (whcih homosexuality falls under).

Thus I might say someone publically opposing the Church on gay marriage might be 50-75% apostate.

Such a measurement doesn't mean much if the policy (as evidenced by practice) is automatic excommunication for someone who publically opposes the Church anyway. Perhaps Steve Young's BYU degree should be revoked as this is far more serious than a calendar of shirtless RM's.

[_Jason Bourne]

This sounds like the work of a prissy rich trophy wife whos been gossiping with her friends and taken up her "cause of the month". Hopefully Steve will take control of his household and reign in his wife.

You are such such a funny guy and a wonderful neanderthal Gaz. But I do like ya man.

[_Jason Bourne]

It's far more catastrophic to allow high profile apostates to thumb their noses at the Church without some sort of sanction. That is where the real loss of credibility occurs.

Oh sure BC, that is why the Church backed down from a court on Tom Murphy. Threats of news and cameras seemed to win the day on this one.

There's simply nothing there but two people choosing to exercise their own personal inspiration in a political arena.

Nor is there anything wrong with a Church determining who should and should not be associated with it by membership.

I have no doubt nothing will happen to the Young's for reasons listed. If you were their SP and you held a court on them I bet that upper level leaders would intervene.

But really let me ask, do you think the Church should discipline members who hold a political view not supported by the church? Should those opposing prop 8 that are LDS be disciplined?

[_Jason Bourne]

How do I measure such? I think of others who have been excommunicated (you might think of the "September 6") and by comparison, Steve Young, his wife, Harry Reid, and others should most certainly be exomunicated if the Church is going to remain consistent. This is where the loss of credibility is, small timers get ex'd, high profilers get a pass.

I hear Steve Young is the GD teacher in his Ward. So am I. Assuming I am just your everyday man on the street, how long do you think I would last as GD teacher if I publically supported gay marriage?

You got it. You would be bullied because nobody cares about you but the Church would be terrified to bully the Young's because of the bad PR. So the Church is more concerned about image than it is about doing what you think is the right thing?

[_Gadianton]

This is where the loss of credibility is, small timers get ex'd, high profilers get a pass.

wha-ho, evil speaking of the Lord's annointed?

I hear Steve Young is the GD teacher in his Ward. So am I. Assuming I am just your everyday man on the street, how long do you think I would last as GD teacher if I publically supported gay marriage

As long as the Lord's annointed say you would last. Don't be jealous that Young's measure of creation is significantly more important than yours, and allows him greater freedom as he's brought more to the table via touchdowns, popularity, and tithes than you, and therefore deserves special treatment, in the eyes of Christ, who is the head of this church.

[_bcspace]

This is where the loss of credibility is, small timers get ex'd, high profilers get a pass.

wha-ho, evil speaking of the Lord's annointed?

Just good advice. I'm not lobbying for them to be replaced.

[_Ray A]

Thus I might say someone publically opposing the Church on gay marriage might be 50-75% apostate.

So if a member votes no on Prop 8, but keeps quiet about it, it's okay?

Also, just out of curiosity, where on the scale of apostasy would spanking the monkey fall?

[_bcspace]

I have no doubt nothing will happen to the Young's for reasons listed. If you were their SP and you held a court on them I bet that upper level leaders would intervene.

Also for the reasons you listed (glare of the cameras and such).

But really let me ask, do you think the Church should discipline members who hold a political view not supported by the church?

All things are spiritual. Yes.

Should those opposing prop 8 that are LDS be disciplined?

Those who simply vote? No. Those who actively lend their voice, time, and money against the Church? Most assuredly as this falls under Romans 1:32

[_bcspace]

Also, just out of curiosity, where on the scale of apostasy would spanking the monkey fall?

Oh, about 35 cents out of a million dollars. Have you run out of money already.....?