Major League Lardbutts

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harmony wrote:
squawkeye wrote:You don't get morbidly obese without taking in the calories. The body can't make fat from nothing. Conditions vary but the physical laws still apply.


1. Being morbidly obese is not illegal, immoral, or anti-social. It's a personal thing, and many factors contribute.

2. Being morbidly obese does not preclude anyone from holding a temple recommend and being in good standing in the LDS church.

I'm not seeing the problem here. Please rephrase so I understand. Thanks.


Sure it's not illegal, but it's definitely selfish and anti-social. To consume so much with so little thought about you and others is selfish.

And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.
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The answer to Squackeye's post is right under the post itself.

Everyone with a problem needs to use the "Hot New Pink Patch"... problem solved.

Edit: oops it changed to the "Join a LDS Weight Loss Group" at http://www.MyWeightLossTeam.com

I guess the solution is as variable and as changing as Mormon doctrine.
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I am not talking 20-40 pounds overwight. I am talking 100-300 pounds overweight. The kind I would never let ride in my vehicle for fear of the seat breaking. The kind I would never let sit on the dining room chairs or the sofa for the same reason. The kind that are so offensive in their fat that they are disgusting.

The body does not make fat from nothing. Efficiency in converting food to mass does not work to make you morbidly obese when you limit food intake. Foods like Celery burn more calories in digestion than they supply.

These fat slobs cannot control their appetites. It really is as simple as that. They are no more in observance of Word of Wisdom principals than an alcoholic or heroin addict.
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harmony wrote:There is nothing in the temple recommend that addresses the necessity of a minimum standard of health be met in order to qualify as "active" or in "good standing". Probably because God wasn't behind the WoW in the first place and isn't concerned about the physical over the spiritual now.


If the physical didn't impact the spiritual this would be fine logic. However I've had a few personal run-ins with gluttonous eating and I can say that such a body is in no fit state to receive or act on revelation at least when the body is mine. I find that right after a jog or lifting some weights I am more spiritually aware or at least happier then before.

Humans are amphibians, half spirit and half body. One effects the other. A nasty spirit tends to have nasty physical effects and vice-versa. Ruining your body is ruining your spirit. Does this mean an obese person can't be spiritual? No, but I would say that the same person if they actually had a fit temple in which to have the spirit reside would be much more spiritually powerful.

In regards to whether they're following the Word of Wisdom or not many of the obese are NOT. They do still get in the Temple but then so do people who use porn, gossip, judge harshly, etc. We can't keep them all out and prescribing weight requirements is not the answer. To be truthful those who violate the Word of Wisdom have the much larger (pun intended) problem of not getting the Word of Wisdom's promised blessings. They try to run and are weary. They grow faint when walking from the couch to the fridge. They don't get the hidden treasures of knowledge promised.

That is the tragedy.
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The Nehor wrote:
harmony wrote:There is nothing in the temple recommend that addresses the necessity of a minimum standard of health be met in order to qualify as "active" or in "good standing". Probably because God wasn't behind the WoW in the first place and isn't concerned about the physical over the spiritual now.


If the physical didn't impact the spiritual this would be fine logic. However I've had a few personal run-ins with gluttonous eating and I can say that such a body is in no fit state to receive or act on revelation at least when the body is mine. I find that right after a jog or lifting some weights I am more spiritually aware or at least happier then before.

Humans are amphibians, half spirit and half body. One effects the other. A nasty spirit tends to have nasty physical effects and vice-versa. Ruining your body is ruining your spirit. Does this mean an obese person can't be spiritual? No, but I would say that the same person if they actually had a fit temple in which to have the spirit reside would be much more spiritually powerful.

In regards to whether they're following the Word of Wisdom or not many of the obese are NOT. They do still get in the Temple but then so do people who use porn, gossip, judge harshly, etc. We can't keep them all out and prescribing weight requirements is not the answer. To be truthful those who violate the Word of Wisdom have the much larger (pun intended) problem of not getting the Word of Wisdom's promised blessings. They try to run and are weary. They grow faint when walking from the couch to the fridge. They don't get the hidden treasures of knowledge promised.

That is the tragedy.


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squawkeye wrote:Doesn't anyone at that school emphasize morbid obesity/word or wisdom/common sense health practices?


As a freshman at BYU, I was required to take a PE course called fitness for life (or something like that). We had our weight taken and body fat measured and had to develop and carry out a fitness program during the semester. We were graded on our results. I don't know if this is still a requirement at BYU, but I suspect it is. I don't think the fat dude in the photo department is reflective of the school as a whole.
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squawkeye wrote:I am not talking 20-40 pounds overwight. I am talking 100-300 pounds overweight.


Oh. Well, you and I are talking about 2 different weight classes. It might help if you defined your parameters in an opening post.
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In visiting the site this evening and looking at some posts I come across and ad that asks "Are you Ugly" and shows a very, very FAT person.

Nice.
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antishock8 wrote:
harmony wrote:1. Being morbidly obese is not illegal, immoral, or anti-social. It's a personal thing, and many factors contribute.

2. Being morbidly obese does not preclude anyone from holding a temple recommend and being in good standing in the LDS church.

I'm not seeing the problem here. Please rephrase so I understand. Thanks.


Sure it's not illegal, but it's definitely selfish and anti-social. To consume so much with so little thought about you and others is selfish.

And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.


I know there are many people who have health issues that contribute to their obesity, but Americans seem to be getting fatter and fatter every generation. I know many people like Harmony who are trying to get healthy but have an uphill battle because of health issues. I don't think it's the amount of food we eat, it's the quality of food we eat in this country. The crap in boxes on grocery store shelves, and the stuff they offer at restaurants is really unhealthy and includes filler that contributes to the health problems that perpetuate obesity. People from less developed areas that eat fresh fruit and veggies from the fields, and fresh meat from their livestock are far more healthy. Ironically, it's more expensive to eat those things in America when you have cheap boxes of crap in the grocery isles. That's my opinion on anyway.

Also, the reason why you can lose your TR for drinking an occasional glass of wine, yet be in good standing for stuffing a pan of brownies in your pie hole every night is because the Word of Wisdom is not a health code. I had a bishop explain it to me very clearly. I remember it almost word for word. He said members who think the Word of Wisdom is about health struggle with their faith when science discovers that a glass of wine every now and then is actually good for you. The word of wisdom is not about health. It's about obedience. We obey the word of wisdom because the prophet tells us to. That's what the bishop told me, and before anyone says it was just a bishop expressing his opinion, the fact is nobody obeys the word of wisdom because of health. If they did they would not ignore the passages that actually deal with a healthy diet (everything in moderation, eat meat sparingly, eat lots of grains and veggies). They would not follow non-mormon health fads like the Atkins diet, which was really big in my ward a few years ago, and which violates the healthy diet part of the word of wisdom. The word of wisdom is an obedience test, just as my bishop said. And it only tests whether you obey the commandment not to drink coffee, tea, alcohol, and not to partake of tobacco and illegal drugs. The leaders couldn't care less whether you actually follow the healthy diet parts of the WofW.
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