antishock8 wrote:harmony wrote:1. Being morbidly obese is not illegal, immoral, or anti-social. It's a personal thing, and many factors contribute.
2. Being morbidly obese does not preclude anyone from holding a temple recommend and being in good standing in the LDS church.
I'm not seeing the problem here. Please rephrase so I understand. Thanks.
Sure it's not illegal, but it's definitely selfish and anti-social. To consume so much with so little thought about you and others is selfish.
And it SHOULD preclude someone from holding a TR. I find it odd that someone who admits that he has coffee or the occasional glass of wine, but is fit and active, wouldn't qualify to hold a TR when those questions are clearly designed to ascertain one's health. HWP people are far more healthy and happy than morbidly obese types. This is a serious flaw in LDS dogma.
I know there are many people who have health issues that contribute to their obesity, but Americans seem to be getting fatter and fatter every generation. I know many people like Harmony who are trying to get healthy but have an uphill battle because of health issues. I don't think it's the amount of food we eat, it's the quality of food we eat in this country. The crap in boxes on grocery store shelves, and the stuff they offer at restaurants is really unhealthy and includes filler that contributes to the health problems that perpetuate obesity. People from less developed areas that eat fresh fruit and veggies from the fields, and fresh meat from their livestock are far more healthy. Ironically, it's more expensive to eat those things in America when you have cheap boxes of crap in the grocery isles. That's my opinion on anyway.
Also, the reason why you can lose your TR for drinking an occasional glass of wine, yet be in good standing for stuffing a pan of brownies in your pie hole every night is because the Word of Wisdom is not a health code. I had a bishop explain it to me very clearly. I remember it almost word for word. He said members who think the Word of Wisdom is about health struggle with their faith when science discovers that a glass of wine every now and then is actually good for you. The word of wisdom is not about health. It's about obedience. We obey the word of wisdom because the prophet tells us to. That's what the bishop told me, and before anyone says it was just a bishop expressing his opinion, the fact is nobody obeys the word of wisdom because of health. If they did they would not ignore the passages that actually deal with a healthy diet (everything in moderation, eat meat sparingly, eat lots of grains and veggies). They would not follow non-mormon health fads like the Atkins diet, which was really big in my ward a few years ago, and which violates the healthy diet part of the word of wisdom. The word of wisdom is an obedience test, just as my bishop said. And it only tests whether you obey the commandment not to drink coffee, tea, alcohol, and not to partake of tobacco and illegal drugs. The leaders couldn't care less whether you actually follow the healthy diet parts of the WofW.
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