What do LDS generally believe about interracial marriage?

[_Daniel Peterson]

I don't think GBH felt superior or smug at all, nor do I think he lacked charity.

I suspect that you actually understand quite clearly that I wasn't referring to President Hinckley.

according to GBH BY was not acting as a disciple of Jesus Christ when teaching these racist ideas.

I don't necessarily disagree.

I'm not an adherent of the prophet-as-superhuman-automaton school.



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[_antishock8]

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When Abraham Lincoln and others claim they are speaking for and in behalf of God, then you can compare them to BY, otherwise there is just no comparison, in my opinion.

Claiming to be the mouthpiece for Jesus Christ, speaking as if he was the voice of Jesus Christ himself, claiming divine revelation puts BY in his own catagory, (well, along with all the others who claim they are speaking for God).

Unless BY really WAS speaking for Jesus and Jesus was pleased with his racist teachings, according to GBH BY was not acting as a disciple of Jesus Christ when teaching these racist ideas.

Funny how there were plently of ABOLITIONISTS during BY's era who felt "enlightened", but not a prophet of god. Funny how Mr. Peterson clings to BY's teaching. Hrm..........

[_antishock8]

1.

If poor antishock8's posts to and about me don't reflect hatred, it's difficult to imagine what kind of post would.

2.

Truth be told, I'm not sure that I see a whole lot more wisdom regarding life in general, as opposed to specific technical issues of mental and emotional dysfunction, coming from professional "state-certified" counselors than I do from experienced and reflective people generally.

I'm not convinced that more wisdom for living is to be found in cutting-edge social science or social work journals than in Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Hugo, Chaucer, Goethe, Dante, and/or Yahya b. ‘Adi. (There is also, as millions of people have believed over the past two or three millennia, a great deal of wisdom to be found in the scriptures. But, knowing the extreme sensitivity here on such matters, i won't mention that fact.)

So now a professor is telling us he doesn't see the value of education for a given career field, nor does he value credentials all of a sudden. Funny stuff coming from a person who holds a doctorate.

[_truth dancer]

TD wrote:

according to GBH BY was not acting as a disciple of Jesus Christ when teaching these racist ideas.

Dan replied:

I don't necessarily disagree.

OK then, GBH, Dan, Mok, and TD all agree!



Group hug!

[_Daniel Peterson]

So now a professor is telling us he doesn't see the value of education for a given career field, nor does he value credentials all of a sudden. Funny stuff coming from a person who holds a doctorate.

I said nothing of the sort, of course.

It's not merely his contemptuous vitriol that's relegated poor antishock8 to the bottom tier of Scratch Board posters.

[_antishock8]

So now a professor is telling us he doesn't see the value of education for a given career field, nor does he value credentials all of a sudden. Funny stuff coming from a person who holds a doctorate.

I said nothing of the sort, of course.

It's not merely his contemptuous vitriol that's relegated poor antishock8 to the bottom tier of Scratch Board posters.

I suppose being in the bottom tier of "Scratch Board posters" is preferable to being in the bottom tier of one's chosen profession; in your case it's academia and apologetics.

Look. Stop being a racist. Stop supporting racist doctrines. Get some professional credentials if you're going to counsel others. These aren't tough things to do, Sir.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Not nearly as easy as learning to read.

Which I commend to you as a worthy goal.

[_antishock8]

Not nearly as easy as learning to read.

Which I commend to you as a worthy goal.

So. Back to the point. Here is what current LDS types believe about interracial marriage:

Africans, of course, were a special case. (Only Black Africans)

The priesthood ban made them a special case. (Because they were Black)

I think, given the premise of a priesthood ban (Only against Blacks), that it would have been seriously wrong for someone from a priesthood-eligible line (not black) to marry someone from a priesthood-ineligible line (black). I think it wrong to marry out of the Church, too. (Don't marry a Black person if the prophet decides Black people can't have the priesthood again)

With the exception of the (racist) Priesthood ban (against Blacks), all other interracial marriages were under those conditions (as long as you weren't marrying a Black man). If you read Kimball and others in their entirety instead of culling inflammatory quotes then you'd know that.

For the record, incidentally, I take Brigham Young (an avowed racist) extremely seriously.

I admire him very much. (an avowed racist)

Oh, I can read alright. Shame on you, Mr. Peterson. Shame on The Nehor. And shame on your church.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Oh, I can read all right.

Then your misreadings are without excuse.

[_Chap]

I think I asked sometime, somewhere, to be informed who the great LDS abolitionists were in the 19th century. If there was an answer, I missed it.

Who were the LDS who worked and sacrificed the most in the ante-bellum period for the emancipation of their black brothers and sisters from slavery?