First it was the Jews...

[_Yong Xi]

You don't have to write history books to know she's not "crazy".

And you don't have to be Einstein to recognize that a number of you on this thread know very little about the rise of Hitler and therefore haven't got a clue what she's talking about.

Our society is so distracted with bread and circuses, we can't get off the collision course we are on--because most don't know we're heading for a crisis.

There are some parallels with Germany in the early 1930's but not as many as one would think. If one believes that Hitler and Obama are cut from the same cloth (I don't), then perhaps this argument would have some merit. Did we elect the moral equivalent of Adolf Hitler?

Sure, Obama may have an exaggerated sense of ego and destiny. That is not unusual for someone aspiring to be president. But Adolf Hitler?

[_Jason Bourne]

Hi Jason and Liz,

In terms of CFR... the research I am looking at will be in the WSJ in a week or two.

People are going to pay down debt and save before they are going to spend.

And long term that will be a wonderful thing.

This recession has some long term ramifications.

Uh yea, no kidding.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Jason,

Of course it is a good thing to pay off debt and save but it is not what is going to stop us from going further into this whole.

And, my point about long term ramifications is just that some people who do not like Obama's plan seem to think there is some magical formula (like let the market take care of itself) that is going to fix the economy in a few months, I don't think this is the case.

OK, now be nice!

~td~

[_Jason Bourne]

I'm not "Anti-Rush" I just totally don't get the appeal.

Seems like it.

I can't find a more icky (smile) figure in the media and can't see why anyone would be his follower. I don't understand it. It is like trying to figure out why someone would want to eat dog food. I'm just not getting it. :-)

Well I am not a big Rush fan but he does not lack substance and from a conservative stand point he knows his stuff. I do like Beck most the time.

No kidding. I'm right there Jason. I don't like it one bit. I don't like losing money. Are you kidding? Trust me we have been massively hurt by unethical CEOs. I want them all to go to jail not get my money.

Well this is what happens when we panic and have to do something.

No, I don't think ANYTHING is the right thing.

Congress and two presidents have now rammed through major somethings and did it too fast and now we have some pretty awful fall out. AGI is the start. Merrill Lynch Bonuses were another. And no disclosure from the feds as to where trillions have gone.

What I do know is that to do nothing and let it play out is not the right answer nor is just giving tax cuts. Tax cuts are not going to turn this around. Not by a long shot.

Did you read what I said about tax cuts that are targeted? I am not talking giving $1000 bucks back to each family. But yes I agree. There are other things besides tax cuts that could help. But tax cuts, big ones, should be part of all this.

Again Jason, I am not an expert I just like to read what experts have to say, and no I don't think Rush and Beck qualify. LOL!

I did not say they did. But many experts disagree with the experts you are reading. I started out an economy major in college. I quickly understood it belonged more in the history department rather than business. Economics is heavy on theory.

The stimulus package is stopping a train that was about to go over a cliff.

We will see.

But to think that Obama hates the US, wants to destroy the constitution, and follow in Hitler's footsteps is just craziness.

I don't think that and I agree.

Yeah, the Bush/Beck crowd think Obama is the anti-Christ, and there may be those who may think he is a savior-type, how about thinking of our President as a man doing what he can to correct some serious problems he was given. He didn't create this mess.

Nope.

[_Jason Bourne]

Of course it is a good thing to pay off debt and save but it is not what is going to stop us from going further into this whole.

Actually long term it will and it is the best thing for our economy. Borrowing and spending too much is why we are where we are. Can we bear some pain to put thing back to making the US the top producing nation in the world rather than the top consuming?

And, my point about long term ramifications is just that some people who do not like Obama's plan seem to think there is some magical formula (like let the market take care of itself) that is going to fix the economy in a few months, I don't think this is the case.

The only problem is an economy cannot be controlled. It can be tweaked, jump started perhaps. But it cannot just be fixed really. Recessions are a normal part of a free market.

OK, now be nice!

But of course.

[_harmony]

Of course it is a good thing to pay off debt and save but it is not what is going to stop us from going further into this whole.

Actually long term it will and it is the best thing for our economy. Borrowing and spending too much is why we are where we are. Can we bear some pain to put thing back to making the US the top producing nation in the world rather than the top consuming?

That would mean we'd actually have to produce something, instead of sending our manufacturing overseas or to Mexico.

[_truth dancer]

Actually long term it will and it is the best thing for our economy. Borrowing and spending too much is why we are where we are. Can we bear some pain to put thing back to making the US the top producing nation in the world rather than the top consuming?

Well, it is important of course but the cost of allowing it all to play out is not acceptable for most Americans. Again, what would happen to tens of millions of people homeless, on the streets, starving, and with no government resources? And yes, this is what would happen. And yes this would happen for regular, law abiding, did-everything-right folk who didn't take advantage of anyone.

Going back to supply and demand, we have WAY too much supply and have got to re-balance ourselves but to just let it play out would take decades and untold suffering without some intervention.

And... we BETTER get the AIG $ back or else!

~td~

[_Some Schmo]

Whoever wrote this article is a nimrod. Yeah, Obama and Hitler are both male, wear suits, and have relatively short hair, too. That enough for me to think Obama's going to grow a little square mustache and start creating concentration camps...

What a moron. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out this person thought Bush did a good job.

And TD, I agree: Rush L is a dipstick. The best thing for the Democrats is for people to consider Rush the leader of the GOP.

[_DarkHelmet]

I love the doomsdayers. I had a TBM friend of mine ranting about the state of the economy and how Obama is destroying the world. When he was done ranting he said that he believes with every fiber of his being that Obama and his world destroying policies will usher in the 2nd coming. I replied, "That's a good thing, right?" He got mad and said that I shouldn't be joking about something so serious. I think when people are worried they go a little nuts. Soon the economy will recover, and the media's biggest story will be who Jennifer Aniston is dating. We will still be waiting for Jesus while using our credit cards to shop at Wal-Mart. The good old days will be back.

[_Dr. Shades]

I am a student of history.

You wouldn't think so if you read her writing.

Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life.

But she obviously didn't study German history.

Having been a hardcore World War II afficionado since the age of sixteen, I believe I can speak with some authority on this matter:

I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, . . . And he smiled and waved a lot.

FALSE. He seldom did either.

And then he was duly elected to office . . .

FALSE. He was appointed to the chancellorship by the President.

Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy.

Not necessarily. Following the Reichstag fire, he was given authority by that body (equivalent to our legislature) to implement decisions without their vote. So it was more a situation of seizing control all at once.

How did he get the people on his side? . . . He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world.

FALSE. Never at any time did he insinuate that he'd re-instill pride anywhere except within Germany.

He did it with a compliant media - Did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . . change.

Again, not necessarily. He did it in the name of advancing the interests of the German people.

Read your history books.

Good advice. Too bad she didn't follow it.

Some people scoff at me; others laugh or think I am foolish, naïve, or both. Perhaps I am.

"Ill-informed" is more like it.

First it was the Jews.

FALSE. First it was the incurably mentally ill.

If the rest of her "facts" are as accurate as her history, then we can safely toss her lunatic musings where they rightfully belong: The trashbin.

My son has been deployed. A few here know my fear, because it is their fear too. I cry myself to sleep every night, and mark off another day with each dawn. 392 to go. There is no let up from this stress.

Your son's deployment has nothing to do with this lady's rant against Obama.

To be quite honest, I don't care which church is right, I don't care who has authority... sometimes I'm just scared spitless.

You don't care which church is right?

When he was done ranting he said that he believes with every fiber of his being that Obama and his world destroying policies will usher in the 2nd coming. I replied, "That's a good thing, right?" He got mad and said that I shouldn't be joking about something so serious.

Perhaps you didn't intend it this way, but I am LOL at that!