Ethics Scenario

[_Daniel Peterson]

No; his stepfather's weightier faith in the priesthood instead of competent medical skill is what was being belittled. Not his sister. Not his family. His stepfather's MINDSET only.

His stepfather had "faith in the priesthood instead of competent medical skill"?

Wow! I corresponded with the stepfather during that period, and spoke with the stepfather on the telephone during that period, and conversed with the stepfather face to face during that period, and I never noticed that!

The stepfather spent considerable time at the hospital -- he'd come from out of state to do so -- and he seemed to be thoroughly on board with modern medical procedures, very concerned that his daughter receive the best possible treatment.

However, I certainly trust ideologically-hostile total strangers' opinions on message boards a lot more than I trust what I've seen and heard with my own eyes, so I'm going to be fundamentally revising my views on this case.

Thanks!

[_The Nehor]

Well, I'll tell you what Nehor, it's only your apologetic mindset that sees a problem here. I think GoodK is:

A) Telling the truth about the place
B) Desires to bring it down because he's angry with it
C) "Milking" the "situation" for money.

I don't see a problem.

What problem does this 'apologetic mindset' see?

[_Dr. Shades]

No; his stepfather's weightier faith in the priesthood instead of competent medical skill is what was being belittled. Not his sister. Not his family. His stepfather's MINDSET only.

His stepfather had "faith in the priesthood instead of competent medical skill"?

Mea culpa; it was a poor choice of words on my part. Allow me to rephrase:

"No; his stepfather's weightier faith in the priesthood than competent medical skill is what was being belittled."

[_ludwigm]

I think Bible verses are fit to the terrestrial environment, more than mud throwing (hungarian saying but there may be english equivalent ).

... competent medical skill ...

Deuteronomy 21: 18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, 19 then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out 20 unto the elders of his city, and 21 all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
Picture moved to the telestial.

Proverbs 23: 13 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Picture moved to the telestial.

Proverbs 20: 30 Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.
Picture moved to the telestial.

[_Pokatator]

I hardly think I'm going to turn up the crucial evidence to support it one way or the other

Nehor, are you talking about your visions or the Book of Mormon?

I don't have the ability to concoct crazy fantasies with no evidence and parade them in front of people as if I've just made some amazing discovery.

You went on a mission didn't you?

[_GoodK]

Find out? Do you really think I have the time or disposition to investigate this?

Yes, I think you have more than enough time to "investigate" this. Clearly you do. But I'm sorry, I didn't know you were simply waxing poetic about being "curious."

Wow! I conversed with the stepfather face to face during that period, and I never noticed that!

Not true, you did not converse face to face with L. Ara Norwood.

The stepfather spent considerable time at the hospital

So did I. What about you? How much time did you spend at the hospital?

Oh, I remember. You couldn't be bothered. After all, Provo was a long drive. Besides, you do your work on the Message Boards.

The long and the sort of this exchange is that it is evident Mr. Articulate never made a report. Ever.

The long and "sort" of it is Mr. Napoleon doesn't know what he is talking about, as usual. He doesn't know what reports have been filed, what sort of documentation I have. No one has seen all the pieces to this puzzle yet, which won't be available until my book is published.

But really, is this interesting to anyone? Wasn't this the same case three months ago -- clearly Mormons love the Mormon Gulag, and apologists defend it shamelessly like anything else. They attack me and my character like they do historians like Quinn. DCP spread vicious lies about me on the Internet, consistent with his typical apologetic endeavors. What's new here?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Wow! I conversed with the stepfather face to face during that period, and I never noticed that!

Not true, you did not converse face to face with L. Ara Norwood.

I conversed face to face with L. Ara Norwood during that period.

How much time did you spend at the hospital?

I don't know your sister. I've never met her. Why on earth would I invade her room in the critical care unit?

Mormons love the Mormon Gulag, and apologists defend it shamelessly like anything else.

I've said not one word in defense of this place. I know nothing about it, and have no position on it. If it's bad, it needs to be fixed or shut down. If it's not, it doesn't.

They attack me and my character like they do historians like Quinn.

Yep. Precisely the same way. Which is not at all.

DCP spread vicious lies about me on the Internet, consistent with his typical apologetic endeavors.

When did I do this? Where?

[_GoodK]

I conversed face to face with L. Ara Norwood during that period.

LOL. It must have been a memorable experience for him.

Why on earth would I invade her room in the critical care unit?

Because that's what all his other "friends" did? My girlfriend at the time had also never met my sister, although she seemed very inclined to go visit her. I guess different people value different things. Never mind your ecclesiastical responsibilities.

DCP spread vicious lies about me on the Internet, consistent with his typical apologetic endeavors.

When did I do this? Where?

Page 1. This thread. A couple days ago. You need to lay off the grass, if your short term memory is that bad. I'm still waiting for your apology/excuse for such vile behavior. I wonder if such behavior is consistent with the values of Brigham Young University.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Because that's what all his other "friends" did?

All of them did? None of them judged -- as I did, rightly or wrongly -- that it might be intrusive?

Never mind your ecclesiastical responsibilities.

I assume you mean my Christian duty, not my "ecclesiastical responsibilities." I had no ecclesiastical responsibility for either your stepfather or your sister. (Just to make that clear to people who might wonder.)

When did I do this? Where?

Page 1. This thread. A couple days ago. You need to lay off the grass, if your short term memory is that bad.

Oh. Never mind. I thought you were serious.

Silly me.

[_rcrocket]

But really, is this interesting to anyone? Wasn't this the same case three months ago -- clearly Mormons love the Mormon Gulag, and apologists defend it shamelessly like anything else. They attack me and my character like they do historians like Quinn. DCP spread vicious lies about me on the Internet, consistent with his typical apologetic endeavors. What's new here?

I have no interest in defending the Utah Boy's Ranch. If what you say is true, I wish you luck in getting it shut down.