Fact Checking Nelson's "Doors Of Death" light aircraft near death experience

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Clearly, the cockpit footage doesn't show the engine. It's not clear what the other footage is -- whether its footage of the incident or stock footage.
Just wanted to show an example of a flameout and emergency landing. A flameout just means that the jet engine stops burning fuel and in appearance is nothing dramatic. The seriousness is the inability to maintain flight. It is not the drama of special effects in movies and/or Nelson's imagination involving flames, death spiral, etc.
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tapirrider wrote:
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:37 pm


Clearly, the cockpit footage doesn't show the engine. It's not clear what the other footage is -- whether its footage of the incident or stock footage.
Just wanted to show an example of a flameout and emergency landing. A flameout just means that the jet engine stops burning fuel and in appearance is nothing dramatic. The seriousness is the inability to maintain flight. It is not the drama of special effects in movies and/or Nelson's imagination involving flames, death spiral, etc.
I get it. I read about visible flames sometimes occurring, but it sounds like that is most common at start up.

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I think the fact that this would have been a two leg flight makes the embellishments to the story more obvious.

If the engine fire event happened on leg 1, there would have certainly been a delay in Cedar City, no? Secure a new plane and all that, before heading on to St George.

And leg 2 would have been too short to achieve altitude.
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The Miracle over Medford incident would make for an excellent Interpreter Films LTD movie. Drs. Peterson and Midgley, along with sidekick Kiwi would make excellent witnesses. Round that out with eight more brethren from the Interpreter and FAIR boards, and you would have a project that could garner plenty of donations.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:02 pm
Given 1976 was the heyday of SWK on "keeping a journal" there is no excuse for embellishment.
We know he kept records because he produced a personnel biography in 1979 of his exploits up to that time - “Heart To Heart”. We don’t know yet if the plane incident is included in that biography or not.

The first note we have of him telling the story is 1985. A period when a church contemporary of his, Paul H Dunn, was commonly using embellished anecdotes that aggrandised himself whilst making a faith promoting point.

At this point we have no corroboration of his story. No other witness has come forward, and no record of the incident has been found where one would expect to find a record. There’s no evidence that he talked about it at the time to anyone.
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The first note we have of him telling the story is 1985. A period when a church contemporary of his, Paul H Dunn, was commonly using embellished anecdotes that aggrandised himself whilst making a faith promoting point.

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This issue is addressed by Bill Reel and RFM at about 1:21. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sfYgp1HVbA
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IHAQ wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:10 am
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:02 pm
Given 1976 was the heyday of SWK on "keeping a journal" there is no excuse for embellishment.
We know he kept records because he produced a personnel biography in 1979 of his exploits up to that time - “Heart To Heart”. We don’t know yet if the plane incident is included in that biography or not.
Isn't it quite remarkable that "Heart To Heart" seems to have fallen completely off the radar screen? It's an autobiography of at least 400 pages. Granted he wasn't too well known at the time; he wasn't THE Russell M. Nelson as he is today. But for a man so utterly convinced of his personal rectitude and who has advanced the art of the humble brag to such dizzying heights, why is it that, in our internet age, his first autobiography appears to be as hard to find as the lost 116 pages?

This man really gives me a 'bride at every wedding, corpse at every funeral' vibe. It would seem that his book should be chock full of fascinating stories.
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Moksha wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:31 am
This issue is addressed by Bill Reel and RFM at about 1:21. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sfYgp1HVbA
I mean, all they say is something to the effect that the story sounds fishy.

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Gabriel wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:18 pm
IHAQ wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:10 am
We know he kept records because he produced a personnel biography in 1979 of his exploits up to that time - “Heart To Heart”. We don’t know yet if the plane incident is included in that biography or not.
Isn't it quite remarkable that "Heart To Heart" seems to have fallen completely off the radar screen? It's an autobiography of at least 400 pages. Granted he wasn't too well known at the time; he wasn't THE Russell M. Nelson as he is today. But for a man so utterly convinced of his personal rectitude and who has advanced the art of the humble brag to such dizzying heights, why is it that, in our internet age, his first autobiography appears to be as hard to find as the lost 116 pages?

This man really gives me a 'bride at every wedding, corpse at every funeral' vibe. It would seem that his book should be chock full of fascinating stories.
No, actually, it’s not remarkable. A few minutes on the Internet reveals that (1) this was a book he wrote for his family. Relatively few copies were made. (2) In the preface, he states that the airplane incident is the reason he wrote the book in the first place. http://www.truthwillprevail.xyz/2016/03 ... n.html?m=1

I saw a copy listed for sale at $2000. Not interested enough to buy it.

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