Why Does Runtu Hate His Former Faith So Much?

[_Kishkumen]

There are a lot of things I hate, and Mormonism isn't one of them. Bob's questions tell me a lot more about him than they do about me.

Believe me when I say that we are right there with you.

[_solomarineris]

John -- I'm curious. Why do you spend so much time personally maligning your former faith so much? I mean, you don't make money off of it like the Tanners or Metcalf.
Why so much time? Is there some therapeutic value to it? I mean, you can't possibly be learning anything from anybody on this Board, do you?

Unless you are trying to instigate a provocation from him, I really don't think you have intellectual capacity to understand him or his type.
I've been reading him for considerable time, can hardly remember being vicious or offensive toward the Church.
Give the credit to LDS church, it embodies the most inane, stupid doctrines. All we do is discuss.
Runtu, I suspect, has alots of family members as I do who are LDS.
Give him or me a good reason to hate.
I don't think you get it.

[_truth dancer]

Why do people discuss, explore, and remain interested in a former religion/cult after they leave?

Why do people write letters to a company after they have had a really bad experience with their product?

Why do people form communities, organizations, or support groups after they have experienced a crisis or difficult (scary, dangerous, life altering) event?

Why do some people have anger, anxiety, fear, or frustration after leaving a cult/religion that has a belief system based on fear and ?

Why do some people find it helpful to find others with similar harmful experiences?

Off the top of my head, here are some possibilities...

1. They want to help others
2. They find their experience fascinating
3. They have family members still involved
4. Their community embraces their former beliefs
5. They need to vent
6. They need support as they move into a new way of life
7. They enjoy knowing others who have had a similar experience
8. They want their money back
9. They are hoping to make changes in the cult/organization/religion
10. They must remain involved in some way and need support to help
11. They enjoy the people they have met after leaving
12. They like hearing the experiences of others
13. They hope to help members better understand their journey
14. They find peace in discussing their journey
15. They find encouragement and hope in others
16. They find their new community enjoyable
17. They want to know how others manage particular situations
18. They still have to deal with various ceremonies, rituals, or events in their former belief system and find this very uncomfortable.
19. They have questions and hope for answers
20. They feel they have been betrayed by their former leaders and want the truth
21. They like learning from others
22. They feel they have information to share
23. They like investigating their former belief
24. They are angry and regretful for the time, money, energy they feel was wasted in their former belief/cult
25. They want to punish those who hurt them

[_rcrocket]

My question is legitimate. I am not trying to bully anybody. I am asking John because if I asked one of the rest of you I'd be met with personal insults or even threats off line.

I ask John because people respond to him and his posts. Folks generally ignore Pokatator; why ask him anything?

John starts a lot of posts. He is a prolific poster. It appears he still attends Church.

So, I reiterate, why spend so much time on this project? What would you think of a Jew who, although he continues to attend his temple in the Bronx week after week, posts malignant things about the faith and the people who believe in it? I mean, it would seem rather odd to an outsider looking in.

I wonder why nobody seemed shocked or offended when the term "hate" was used in the Hamblin critique?

[_Runtu]

My question is legitimate. I am not trying to bully anybody. I am asking John because if I asked one of the rest of you I'd be met with personal insults or even threats off line.

John starts a lot of posts. He is a prolific poster. It appears he still attends Church.

So, I reiterate, why spend so much time on this project? What would you think of a Jew who, although he continues to attend his temple in the Bronx week after week, posts malignant things about the faith and the people who believe in it? I mean, it would seem rather odd to an outsider looking in.

I wonder why nobody seemed shocked or offended when the term "hate" was used in the Hamblin critique?

Bob,

Your question implies that my posts "malign" the church. They don't. To malign is " to utter injuriously misleading or false reports about [or] speak evil of" someone or something. As I do neither of those things, I'm not sure how your question applies.

[_John Larsen]

My question is legitimate. I am not trying to bully anybody. I am asking John because if I asked one of the rest of you I'd be met with personal insults or even threats off line.

I ask John because people respond to him and his posts. Folks generally ignore Pokatator; why ask him anything?

John starts a lot of posts. He is a prolific poster. It appears he still attends Church.

So, I reiterate, why spend so much time on this project? What would you think of a Jew who, although he continues to attend his temple in the Bronx week after week, posts malignant things about the faith and the people who believe in it? I mean, it would seem rather odd to an outsider looking in.

I wonder why nobody seemed shocked or offended when the term "hate" was used in the Hamblin critique?

There is a lot of work that has been done on the psychology of wistle blowers. Reading up on some of it might help you find the questions you answer.

But the question can be reversed to you. There are many positive aspects of the Church, temple work, service, genealogy, or youth programs. Why do you spend you time focusing in on the malignancy of Mormonism, the apologetics that deals with all of the negative. Why not spend your time on the positive side of your religion?

[_Kishkumen]

So, I reiterate, why spend so much time on this project? What would you think of a Jew who, although he continues to attend his temple in the Bronx week after week, posts malignant things about the faith and the people who believe in it? I mean, it would seem rather odd to an outsider looking in.

Malignant? You know very well that the way you are framing these questions is the problem. Personally, I would not be the least surprised if a Jew who tended toward Reform ideas, but who was attending an Orthodox synagogue for the sake of family harmony, should come online and talk to fellow Reform Jews about the archaic and silly beliefs of Orthodox Jews. I find that not the least bit implausible or reprehensible. What is odd is that you do.

[_Runtu]

There is a lot of work that has been done on the psychology of wistle blowers. Reading up on some of it might help you find the questions you answer.

But the question can be reversed to you. There are many positive aspects of the Church, temple work, service, genealogy, or youth programs. Why do you spend you time focusing in on the malignancy of Mormonism, the apologetics that deals with all of the negative. Why not spend your time on the positive side of your religion?

I'm not sure it's the psychology of whistleblowers that is at play here. I suspect that the reasons Bob enjoys coming here and discussing/debating are the same reasons I do. For whatever reason, no one ever thought to criticize my prolific posting when I was a believer, but as soon as I "switched teams," I started hearing how what I was doing was wrong. Weird how that works.

[_Kishkumen]

Your question implies that my posts "malign" the church. They don't. To malign is " to utter injuriously misleading or false reports about [or] speak evil of" someone or something. As I do neither of those things, I'm not sure how your question applies.

Yes. It is interesting that Bill and Bob repeatedly associate critics of the LDS Church with Neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, and the like, and yet he says that you are maligning him.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

John -- I'm curious. Why do you spend so much time personally maligning your former faith so much? I mean, you don't make money off of it like the Tanners or Metcalf.

Why so much time? Is there some therapeutic value to it? I mean, you can't possibly be learning anything from anybody on this Board, do you?

'To malign' for one person can be 'to tell the truth' for another, Bishop. And here's the irony you keep missing: your actions/words on this bb place the Church in a far worse light than anything Runtu has ever written. Carry on ....