Eric.

[_Some Schmo]

"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)
"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)
"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)
"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)
"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)
"...you don't know what you're talking about, Ray..." (nervous tick)
"...there are two sides to every story..." (nervous tick)

Such substance!

[_Ray A]

I haven't offered an opinion here on Eric and his family.

Can you really not see that?

So what was your intention in sending him the link? What reaction did you expect from Eric's step-dad, "God bless him"?

Or did you really know that this would further fuel the flames?



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[_Gadianton Plumber]

Dan, you sound like a broken record. Perhaps you could educate Ray, if it's so hang fired important he know he is wrong? Otherwise, cut it out. It sounds really arrogant and unfounded.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Ray doesn't know what he's talking about.

There's really nothing more directly relevant that can be said. Ray is pronouncing judgment on a matter of which he has inadequate knowledge, and on which he has no need to pronounce judgment in the first place.

It's a mark, I think, of the warped ethos of some who post here that they regard as arrogant a call to refrain from judging in cases where one is plainly insufficiently informed and obviously lacks standing.

[_Ray A]

Fortunately, you, Ray, aren't stupid enough to fall for his shenanigans. I can see right through him.

Paul O

Maybe I was stupid enough, Paul, for too long.

[_Daniel Peterson]

So what was your intention in sending him the link?

I've explained that dozens of times already: I thought he should know. I reasoned that I would want to know.

What reaction did you expect from Eric's step-dad, "God bless him"?

I expected pretty much what I got, which was a sigh and a thank you.

Eric's stepfather and I had already spoken about Eric for years by that time. Eric's stepfather knew full well what Eric's theological position was. The note wasn't a shock to him.

Or did you really know that this would further fuel the flames?

I didn't believe that it would fuel the flames, and I don't think it did. Nor -- I've specifically asked him -- does Eric's stepfather think that it fueled the flames. The flames were already burning hot and high, and had been for a long time. I knew that. I'm not a plausible scapegoat in this situation.

[_Ray A]

The flames were already burning hot and high, and had been for a long time. I knew that. I'm not a plausible scapegoat in this situation.

And why was that? Because Eric would not "conform"? That he needed "correction"?

[_Daniel Peterson]

And why was that? Because Eric would not "conform"? That he needed "correction"?

Yes, Ray. It's because he was sometimes late for early-morning seminary and used the word flip.

[_Paul Osborne]

Maybe I was stupid enough, Paul, for too long.

Well, even so, don't worry about it. The whole reason we are here is to learn to love each other. That's the hard part for some of us, especially me. We are all in this together.

Paul O

[_Ray A]

Yes, Ray. It's because he was sometimes late for seminary and used the word flip.

Dan, use your sarcasm elsewhere. Don't try it on me.