mormonmessages wrote:What is the official story about the origins of the temple garment?
Are the changes to the temple garments included in the lessons?
mormonmessages wrote:What is the official story about the origins of the temple garment?
Are the changes to the temple garments included in the lessons?
The Nauvoo "old style" Garment (c1842-1975) was partially described by Ebenezer Robinson (who had once served as the editor of the Mormon newspaper Times and Seasons) in his periodical The Return Vol. II (April 1890), 252:
"As early as 1843 a secret order was established in Nauvoo, called the HOLY ORDER, the members of which were of both sexes, in which, we are credibly informed, scenes were enacted representing the garden of Eden, and that the members of the order were provided with a peculiar under garment called a robe. 'It was made in one piece. On the right breast is a square, on the left a compass, in the center a small hole, and on the knee a large hole.' This was the description of the garment as given to the writer in Nauvoo, in Joseph Smith's life time. It was claimed that while they wore this 'robe' no harm could befall them."
Increase McGee Van Dusen, who described the Nauvoo temple endowment ceremony in 1847, mentioned that the Garment was a "tight fit" and only remembered the Priesthood marks of the square and compass-mistakenly stating the latter was on the knee. A description attributed to Elizabeth Warren Allred, who had been hired by the Prophet Joseph Smith to cut out the garment pattern, intimated that the Marks of the Holy Priesthood were originally stitched in red:
"It was while they were living in Nauvoo that the Prophet came to my mother, who was a seamstress by trade, and told her that he had seen the Angel Moroni with the garments on, and asked her to assist in cutting out the garments. They spread unbleached muslin out on the table and he told her how to cut it out. She had to cut the third pair, however, before he said it was satisfactory. She told the prophet that there would be sufficient cloth from the knee to the ankle to make a pair of sleeves, but he told her he wanted as few seams as possible and that there would be sufficient whole cloth to cut the sleeve without piecing. The first garments were made of unbleached muslin and bound with turkey red and were without collars. Later on the prophet decided he would rather have them bound with white. Sister Emma Smith, the Prophet's wife, proposed that they have a collar on as she thought they would look more finished, but at first the prophet did not have the collars on them. After Emma Smith had made the little collars which were not visible from the outside of the dress, Sister Eliza R. Snow made a collar of fine white material which was worn on the outside of the dress. The garment was to reach to the ankle and the sleeves to the wrist. The marks were always the same."
(Diary of James T.S. Allred; Letter to Col. Williams; [Microfilm d.1021/f.92, end of roll #2 (July 10, 1844)] LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City).
mentalgymnast wrote:mormonmessages wrote:What is the official story about the origins of the temple garment?
Are the changes to the temple garments included in the lessons?
Here is a good place to start:
http://en.fairmormon.org/Temple_garments
Also:
The Nauvoo "old style" Garment (c1842-1975) was partially described by Ebenezer Robinson (who had once served as the editor of the Mormon newspaper Times and Seasons) in his periodical The Return Vol. II (April 1890), 252:
"As early as 1843 a secret order was established in Nauvoo, called the HOLY ORDER, the members of which were of both sexes, in which, we are credibly informed, scenes were enacted representing the garden of Eden, and that the members of the order were provided with a peculiar under garment called a robe. 'It was made in one piece. On the right breast is a square, on the left a compass, in the center a small hole, and on the knee a large hole.' This was the description of the garment as given to the writer in Nauvoo, in Joseph Smith's life time. It was claimed that while they wore this 'robe' no harm could befall them."
Increase McGee Van Dusen, who described the Nauvoo temple endowment ceremony in 1847, mentioned that the Garment was a "tight fit" and only remembered the Priesthood marks of the square and compass-mistakenly stating the latter was on the knee. A description attributed to Elizabeth Warren Allred, who had been hired by the Prophet Joseph Smith to cut out the garment pattern, intimated that the Marks of the Holy Priesthood were originally stitched in red:
"It was while they were living in Nauvoo that the Prophet came to my mother, who was a seamstress by trade, and told her that he had seen the Angel Moroni with the garments on, and asked her to assist in cutting out the garments. They spread unbleached muslin out on the table and he told her how to cut it out. She had to cut the third pair, however, before he said it was satisfactory. She told the prophet that there would be sufficient cloth from the knee to the ankle to make a pair of sleeves, but he told her he wanted as few seams as possible and that there would be sufficient whole cloth to cut the sleeve without piecing. The first garments were made of unbleached muslin and bound with turkey red and were without collars. Later on the prophet decided he would rather have them bound with white. Sister Emma Smith, the Prophet's wife, proposed that they have a collar on as she thought they would look more finished, but at first the prophet did not have the collars on them. After Emma Smith had made the little collars which were not visible from the outside of the dress, Sister Eliza R. Snow made a collar of fine white material which was worn on the outside of the dress. The garment was to reach to the ankle and the sleeves to the wrist. The marks were always the same."
(Diary of James T.S. Allred; Letter to Col. Williams; [Microfilm d.1021/f.92, end of roll #2 (July 10, 1844)] LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City).
Regards,
MG
liz3564 wrote:MM, since you are a new poster, do you mind my asking what your affiliation with the Church is? If you are a member, how long have you been a member, and have you been through the temple?
I am a long time member, rather not say how long for fear of being outted.liz3564 wrote:MM, since you are a new poster, do you mind my asking what your affiliation with the Church is? If you are a member, how long have you been a member, and have you been through the temple?
mormonmessages wrote:Someone asked why do I post these supposed easy to research questions?
To get them out there for other lurkers and the like to read. This is my only outlet to the hell that I live and work in.
Yeah and so?The Nehor wrote:mormonmessages wrote:Someone asked why do I post these supposed easy to research questions?
To get them out there for other lurkers and the like to read. This is my only outlet to the hell that I live and work in.
You're venting? Good to know.