Runtu wrote:Obiwan wrote:As I've already explained, I respond ACCORDING TO the hostility I see from those here.
Ah, so you're one of Wade's "mirroring" disciples. Awesome. I guess all that stuff about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you doesn't apply to apostates.
Actually, like all the intellectually and morally defunk, you don't understand language and basic common sense.
Doing unto others is a "first cause"..... My intolerance of you is "second cause", meaning my intolerance only occurs after yours.
Further, I'm on the moral right..... A cop is not a "bad guy" simply because he has to use force against a criminal. The U.S. is not the "bad guy" because we take the fight against fanatical Islam. I am on the moral high ground, condeming evil..... My intolerance is against evil and wrong, not difference of belief etc. You are not on any moral high ground by your bearing false witness of Mormons and Mormonism, by your unfair, false, and unrighteous judgments of Mormonism and Mormons. My intolerance is in relation to your evil fruits, not anything else.
If I was engaging in evil, I would have no problem of being corrected on it. But, you do.
Thus, I DO do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
If you all weren't being "immoral", then I would be responding differently.
And I know this is what I'm doing because for some 13 years I've posted all over the net, on many of different forums, every day, and with those that are actually "respectable", I post respectable toward them, and we have great discussions. We may not ever believe or agree, but we have respectable discussions.
You were sort of respectful to me over on MADB, but not here, not from the beginning.
Yes I was.... That's because YOU were more respectful over there. And thus I gave you the respect you deserved.
Yes, you are right, from the beginning I wasn't respectful to most here. That's because this is a cesspool. Of course, not as morally and intellectually as bad as exmormon.org, but many here are approaching it. From the beginning I saw the words people used, their attitudes, their immorality, and thus I responded to it accordingly.
You need to learn that anti-mormonism is "evil". It's a perversion and a darkness that is rotting your souls and infecting the world with hate and contention.
I suppose that would apply were I an "anti-Mormon."
I've seen you post like an anti-mormon, so don't pretend you are innocent.
I would recommend you all grow to become "critics" rather than anti-Mormons. Critics don't bear false witness, they don't degrade, make unfair characterizations of people and things, etc. etc., they just disagree. If you can't understand the difference between the two kinds of people, then I would recommend you learn.
Oh, I understand. It's not about critics and anti-Mormons. It's about respect and honesty, and it cuts both ways. There are honest and respectful critics and apologists, and dishonest and disrespectful apologists and critics. I don't think either is more "evil" than the other. Of course, I generally ignore such people on both sides.
Actually no it doesn't "cut both ways"..... While I won't necessarily disagree that there is the rare disrespectful Mormon or apologist, there are NONE that are "dishonest". Further, most of the disrespect you see isn't disrespect as a first cause, it's disrespect toward evil and wrong. People don't have to and are not required to be respectful to terrible things and people when terrible things are done right in front of your face. If a bully is beating someone up, am I not morally required to respond with necessary force to stop the beating? Likewise on the internet.... I see many of your evils, and thus given who I am feel morally required to respond to it. Evil never likes to be interferred with and condemned, you know the saying, the wicked take the truth to be hard. Still, that doesn't make ME or any other person who doesn't take kindly to the immorality they see before their eyes.
I for example post over at Christianforums.com and basically every non-LDS that posts about Mormonism is anti-mormon, yet there is ONE lowly person who's not LDS, doesn't believe in our religion, yet she basically never misrepresents us.
Give me an example of when I've misrepresented Mormonism so I can understand why you've been so hostile.
Okay, I'll try to remember if I see it, to show you. However, since we have been discussing and you've taken personal offense to some of my comments from the beginning, it should be clear when we first discussed if I saw you say something wrong, cause I would have pointed it out to you.
In fact, she often gets in trouble with the others because she sees them misrepresenting us, and she corrects them. Again, she believes we are false, not the true church etc. is even a critic at times, but she has "character" in her actions and behaviors, and thus she is not anti-mormon.
Heck, I'm not even sure I believe that the church is "false," but apparently, I'm one of them evil, dishonest anti-Mormons. I guess I should be glad you've pointed that out to me.
Have I been talking to you in this thread....? If not, if my words don't apply to you then why are you talking? I don't follow any of you "personally", but if I see you saying something morally and factually wrong, then I point it out. I seem to recall you once in a while saying something low of character and factually wrong, and seem to recall pointing such out to you, but I haven't been following you, so deal with what I actually say to you, and in general to all, rather than what how some of my words may not apply to you personally.
Ceeboo for example I likely wouldn't consider as someone who's anti-mormon. However, seeing some of his posts here, I wonder. But at least at MADB he wasn't an anti-mormon in his behaviors and words, and so he got respect. Sorry, but I don't give respect to the disrespectful.
Ceeboo is a good person. My approach is to be as respectful as I can to everyone. If people are jerks or dishonest, I tend to lose interest quickly. You don't have to be disrespectful to people you're ignoring.
Even when I might say something disrespectful, I still deal with people respectfully, ever trying to give people a chance. For example, look at all I've just wrote to you. I've respectfully addressed your points, and given you my perspective. I also recognize you are pretty much doing the same, so I haven't had to call you on anything. Don't get me wrong, I see you sometimes like now posting with respect, but I also see unfair cheap shots from you. I'll try to remember and point one out for you if I see something in the future. However, know that doing this is a low priority for me, so don't expect anything too soon. Although, if you say something bad, I might feel like responding, so then you will know.