Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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MsJack wrote:I have just posted a significant update to the very first post in this thread. I hope the moderators do not mind; I used orange text and "huge" font to make sure future readers of this thread see it.

I consider the matter I have raised in this thread as closed as it ever will be. Please do not be surprised if I cease all participation in this thread from this point onward.


Wow. I'm surprised, and impressed.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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MsJack wrote:UPDATE (5/19/2011): PLEASE READ

I have received a very brief note informing me that my case as laid out in this thread has been heard and William Schryver's work will not be published by the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship. I am sharing this information with permission, and while I will not reveal my source, please know that I have 100% trust in the information s/he has passed onto me. Please also know that this was not an official correspondence from the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship, but an informal one from someone "in the know" who wanted to let me know that my case has been heard.

In light of this development, I see no reason to reproduce the series on any of my blogs. I consider the matter as closed as it ever will be.

Do not send me private messages or e-mails asking for more information about what was said or who said it. I will not tell you.

Thank you everyone who has read my thread and heard me out. I am relieved to know that there are others who share my desire to keep Mormon Studies a friendly place for female academics to participate.

Sincerely,
-Bridget Jack Jeffries a.k.a. "MsJack"

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Table of Contents

Introduction
Some Notes on My Source Material
A Note to the MDB Moderators
Obsessed With Breasts & a Little Black Dress
"You're Only as Young as the Women You Feel"
"Over Your Pretty Little Head"
Other Incidents
Emma Smith: "Champion Bitch" of the Restoration
Has William Ever Addressed This Behavior?
Have Other LDS Scholars & Apologists Addressed This Behavior?
Conclusion: Why It Matters


Color me pleasantly surprised at the integrity of the Maxwell Institute in dealing with this matter!
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Hello,

I'm pleased to see cooler heads prevail in this matter. Mr. Schryver has been an embarrassment to himself, his family, and to the Mormon church.

I hope he turns over a new leaf.

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I am also pleased that MI has made a wise decision. I am sure that if Will is still interested in having his work published, he can do it through a private publishing company.

I do not wish any ill feelings toward Will. I do, however, agree with MI's decision. An LDS published apologist should be subject to meeting certain standards of decorum that Will fell miserably short of meeting.

Thank you, Ms. Jack, for making a thorough, well-documented case.
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Anyone feel bad about having a negative impact on someone's career over a bunch of stupid crap said on a message board? I doubt it, but I was just curious if I was the only one feeling conflicted.
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Molok wrote:Anyone feel bad about having a negative impact on someone's career over a bunch of stupid crap said on a message board? I doubt it, but I was just curious if I was the only one feeling conflicted.


If I were still a believer I'd be feeling mighty relieved about now. As an unbeliever I feel some respect for the Maxwell Institute.

Still, isn't Will self-employed in some non-church related field?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Hello,

Wait. Was that his career or his hobby?

V/R
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Buffalo wrote:
Molok wrote:Anyone feel bad about having a negative impact on someone's career over a bunch of stupid crap said on a message board? I doubt it, but I was just curious if I was the only one feeling conflicted.


If I were still a believer I'd be feeling mighty relieved about now. As an unbeliever I feel some respect for the Maxwell Institute.

Still, isn't Will self-employed in some non-church related field?


Will is a private contractor who does IT work. Apologetics is a side-line.

Also, one really shouldn't be in apologetics to make money. If they are, they will be sorely disappointed.

From an academic standpoint, I think that Will "cooked his own goose", so to speak, when he betrayed an ethical confidence by:

1. Posting Trevor's in real life information on a public forum (MAD).

2. Revealing knowledge that Trevor submitted an article to FAIR. Submissions were supposed to be private. As a review committee member, Will had no business publishing any of that information on a public forum.

I think that the combination of that incident and the misogynistic comments were what tipped the scales.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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All right, so I am the only one who feels a little bad for Will. Don't get me wrong, Will should be held accountable for his words, but this just seems unfortunate. Meh, whatever.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Molok wrote:Anyone feel bad about having a negative impact on someone's career over a bunch of stupid crap said on a message board? I doubt it, but I was just curious if I was the only one feeling conflicted.

No Molok, you are not.
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