Where can we see the actual writings of Father Abraham?

[_DarkHelmet]

Joseph Smith said the papyrus he translated had the actual writings of Father Abraham - by his own hand. Not by scribes or others, but by him personally.

Where can we see this writing?

I have been told that if it existed it would be the oldest biblical writing in existence and one of the greatest religious finds in history.

Why is ld-sinc keeping this from the world?

If it really is the writings of Abraham, by his own hand, upon papyrus, the church should sell the papyri on Pawn Stars. They love historical stuff, and it would be free advertising for the church.

[_Buffalo]

Your credibility in determining intelligence of other people is infinitesimal.

Har har.

Okay let's clear this up, here and now.

I typed that on my phone. It autocorrected to that word, and I didn't pay any attention to it before I posted.

But the real problem is you believe this dubmass has any intelligence whatsoever? Now that is hilarious.

He doesn't seem stupid to me. Angry, sure.

What happened to your auto-correct? Did you turn it off?

[_thews]

Joseph Smith said the papyrus he translated had the actual writings of Father Abraham - by his own hand.

No he didn't. He said it was "purported" to be written by Abraham.

http://LDS.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/1.16?lang=eng

A Translation of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt. The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus. (See History of the Church, 2:235–36, 348–51.)

I have been told that if it existed it would be the oldest biblical writing in existence and one of the greatest religious finds in history.

Smash that strawman. Even your feeble wit should be able to pull it off......maybe.

Not by scribes or others, but by him personally.

Nehor smart smart smart. Joseph really dumb.

If you're so smart Nehor, why can't you just admit the Book of Abraham was/is what Joseph Smith claimed it was? The truth dodgers love to use the straw man claim when setting up a straw man argument. Do you acknowledge these facts:

1) Joseph Smith claimed the writing were by Abraham by his own hand.
2) The LDS church keeps the papyrus Joseph Smith used along with the KEP hidden from critical review.
3) The papyrus Joseph Smith used has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham and is translated incorrectly.

Why is ld-sinc keeping this from the world?

Because you made it up. Joseph, you have Jimmy Hoffa's body in the crawlspace under your house. Why are you keeping this from the world?

Epic fail.

Joseph SMASH Nehor! SMASH SMASH! Joseph hate Nehor! Nehor very bad! Joseph SMASH! Joseph eat cookie later?

More blathering from the most useless poster on the board. How many posts have you contributed to the discussion Simon... three? What have you said regarding the topic? Is it time to tuck tail again because you don't actually address anything?

Here's some actual data Simon regarding the topic of discussion (something you don't know how to incorporate into your distortion):

http://mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm

"... with W. W. Phelps and Oliver Cowdery as scribes, I commence the translation of some of the characters or hieroglyphics, and much to our joy found that one of the rolls contained the writings of Abraham, another the writings of Joseph of Egypt, etc. - a more full account of which will appear in its place, as I proceed to examine or unfold them. Truly we can say, the Lord is beginning to reveal the abundance of peace and truth." (History of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 236).

What ever happened to the writings of Joseph of Egypt? Did the LDS church lose these "sacred" Mormon documents?

More data:

The eight Egyptologists and Semitists who responded were unanimous in their scathing verdict: "Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end," came the report from the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, which added that "five minutes study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture;" "... difficult to deal seriously with Smith's impudent fraud," wrote another from Oxford, England. "Smith has turned the Goddess into a king and Osiris into Abraham." From Chicago, "... very clearly demonstrates that he (Joseph Smith) was totally unacquainted with the significance of these documents and absolutely ignorant of the simplest facts of Egyptian Writing and civilization." And from London, "... the attempts to guess a meaning are too absurd to be noticed. It may be safely said that there is not one single word that is true in these explanations."

[_The Nehor]

Idiots defending an idiot. How original. A documentary on where they come from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

[_thews]

Idiots defending an idiot. How original. A documentary on where they come from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

True to form I get a link I'm supposed to research to find out your supposed point while you ignore the questions asked. Why? Do you fear the answers Nehor? Why not try a tactic Simon Belmont never uses and actually answer the questions?

True or false?

1) Joseph Smith claimed the writings were by Abraham by his own hand.
2) The LDS church keeps the papyrus Joseph Smith used along with the KEP hidden from critical review.
3) The papyrus Joseph Smith used has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham and is translated incorrectly.

[_bcspace]

True or false?

1) Joseph Smith claimed the writings were by Abraham by his own hand.
2) The LDS church keeps the papyrus Joseph Smith used along with the KEP hidden from critical review.
3) The papyrus Joseph Smith used has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham and is translated incorrectly.

The answer is really quite similar to the devastating "Have you checked the children?" answer to the criticism of Joseph Smith being just a horndog in the case of his plural sealings. In other words, what about the other papyri? Since you haven't considered this, all your questions so far have been intelectually dishonest.

[_thews]

True or false?

1) Joseph Smith claimed the writings were by Abraham by his own hand.
2) The LDS church keeps the papyrus Joseph Smith used along with the KEP hidden from critical review.
3) The papyrus Joseph Smith used has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham and is translated incorrectly.

The answer is really quite similar to the devastating "Have you checked the children?" answer to the criticism of Joseph Smith being just a horndog in the case of his plural sealings. In other words, what about the other papyri? Since you haven't considered this, all your questions so far have been intelectually dishonest.

My questions are valid and based on fact. Your response is an obvious dodge to answer the questions because you can't. Assume for one brief moment you are intellectually honest bcspace... answer the questions...

True or false?

1) Joseph Smith claimed the writings were by Abraham by his own hand.
2) The LDS church keeps the papyrus Joseph Smith used along with the KEP hidden from critical review.
3) The papyrus Joseph Smith used has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham and is translated incorrectly.

[_harmony]

It would be a helpful starting point to establish that Abraham did indeed exist.

[_Joseph]

mr space wrote: "The answer is really quite similar to the devastating "Have you checked the children?" answer to the criticism of Joseph Smith being just a horndog in the case of his plural sealings."
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Joethe coxman was sterile.

Emma had boyfriends.

[_thews]

mr space wrote: "The answer is really quite similar to the devastating "Have you checked the children?" answer to the criticism of Joseph Smith being just a horndog in the case of his plural sealings."
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Joethe coxman was sterile.

Emma had boyfriends.