Denying the holy ghost

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_bcspace
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Re: Denying the holy ghost

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On top of that, an uninformed person has about a 50/50 chance of selecting the Democratic Party which is an intrinsic denial of the Holy Ghost.

Insidious!

bcspace, do you think that those that are in tune with and listening to the Holy Ghost will be guided away from the Democratic Party and towards the Republican Party?


Well, there was a little bit of tongue-in-cheek meant when I wrote that, but yes, if one is in tune with the Holy Spirit, one will be led away from today's Democratic Party. Not necessarily to the Republican Party, but it's a good choice in the right direction.
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Jason Bourne wrote:. One receives the Holy Ghost as part of the confirmation process following baptism.

Not at all in the sense of partaking of his power. You can see how easy it is to detect that the LDS have a form of godliness but that they deny the power thereof. All this talk of priesthood being the power of godliness is nonsense. The power we receive that makes us godly is to be conceived the children of Christ by the POWER of the Holy Ghost. This is the new creature born of God, hence, godly.

This does not happen to anyone at confirmation. CFR. Not at the time of confirmation. I was confirmed at age eight. Ten years later, after I brought forth an acceptable sacrifice, and staid on it with full purpose of heart, taking no thought for my life while I wrestled to subject myself to Christ, without restraint, and was taken down into the depths of humility and there qualified by the Spirit, not once, not twice but three times descending to more earnestness at each level. It was enough.

Even Bruce R. McConkie agrees that really getting the Holy Ghost is down the road from confirmation. But his knowledge is limited as to how exactly it ever occurs.

Small wonder. Nobody in the LDS Church, since I was cast out of it, has taught this correctly. It is just not understood and guessed at poorly. And why are not the lovers of God beating down the doors of The Apocalrock Visitor Center insisting that I mentor them a right conversion? Hmm? Pride, just pride.
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Re: Denying the holy ghost

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Did Kimball/Hinckley deny the Holy Ghost when they acquired the Hofmann forgeries?
Did Oaks deny the Holy Ghost when he wrote a defines on a particularly bizarre part of the Hofmann forgeries?
Did Woodruff deny the Holy Ghost when he publicly banned polygamy or did he deny it when he sanctioned polygamous marriages after the ban?
Is spending billions on a shopping mall a denial of the Holy Ghost?
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Re: Denying the holy ghost

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zeezrom wrote:Alma 32:

33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the experiment, and planted the seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs know that the seed is good.

34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know, for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and your mind doth begin to expand.


According to LDS Canon, you do not need to see God with your own eyes to have a perfect knowledge. It is therefore possible for regular Joes like you and me to fall to the path forged by McConkie's words.


I would argue that the Book of Mormon is not really a source for LDS doctrine, except for a few carefully chosen prooftexts.
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