Proof the Church Misleads and Deceives about History

[_Droopy]

Oh, come now, Droopy. You are capable of better.

Oh, much better, but Kevin is impossible to take seriously any longer, so I'm just on a roller coaster today, makin' up a mess of fun, just like the Banana Splits used to do.

Kevin is not red not "unsane," and even if he were, what would it have to do with the comments he makes regarding this trailer?

He's a left-wing populist demagogue who has openly attempted the rehabilitation and defense of the old Soviet dictatorship in this forum, as well as a purveyor of the most unbelievable unvarnished Marxist dogma of the kind I used to listen to on Radio Havana back in the eighties.

So we have issues...

I cannot imagine the Correlation Committee approving a film about Joseph Smith produced for mass consumption to include his firing the smuggled revolver into the Carthage crowd, regardless of how reasonable such actions may have been under the circumstances.

Uh huh...

I am guessing they would also not allow Joseph to be portrayed drinking some wine earlier that hot Illinois afternoon.

All of this is known to church members, generally speaking, but of course, the WoW was revealed and implemented in a series of phases and within a specific context that explains why Joseph and others continued to partake of alcoholic beverages intermittently after the initial revealing of the WoW.

And if Joseph does not record either of the First Vision personages as saying, "I am Jesus Christ," well, we all "know" that is who one of them was, and so why not do a little creative interpolation?

And?

The problem is this is the only Joseph Smith the Church will allow to be portrayed, but the real Joseph Smith and the real events (even as recorded by Joseph Smith!) are different.

Well, uh...no.

When Mormons figure out the discrepancy, they are left with the feeling of having been misled and deceived by the LDS Church.

If one needs a pretext, one will find it. This is one of the classics.

Is it not interesting, consig, how many of us at the MADboard saw you moving rapidly out of the Church a long time ago, and said so? And is it not interesting how you bristled at the notion that you were somehow in a process of apostasy?

[_zeezrom]

EA and Stem,

Do you really think Mormons are to lazy to learn the full history? Why? Are they lazy people? Think about it. Mormons spend many hours every week on religion. They discuss it for 3 hours on Sunday, 30 minutes every day, 1 hour every Monday night, and more time depending on the calling.

It is not apathy. It is fear. There might be some (positive) desire to stick around as well.

[_EAllusion]

EA and Stem,

Do you really think Mormons are to lazy to learn the full history?

Yes.

Why? Are they lazy people?

No. No more lazy than the average person, anyway.

Think about it. Mormons spend many hours every week on religion. They discuss it for 3 hours on Sunday, 30 minutes every day, 1 hour every Monday night, and more time depending on the calling.

Yep. Because that's what Mormons do. That's the culture. It's easy to participate in the interests and attitudes of your social circle. There's a difference between that and putting effort into systematic investigation. The LDS Church already tells you how to investigate and what to find. It's pretty simple.

I've seen countless people, especially staunch conservatives, bleat on and on about professing love of the US constitution and the need to stick closely to it while quite clearly not having a basic grasp of the document. It's the subject ofparody for a reason.

Same deal.

It is not apathy. It is fear. There might be some (positive) desire to stick around as well.

I'm not saying fear plays no role, though I don't think it is primarily a nagging feeling that what they think may be wrong per se so much as a conditioned response against that which might give them that feeling. What I'm saying is the main reason people don't do this is they are apathetic, like in politics or any other area of life.

This coin has an opposite side. If the LDS Church was what it claimed to be, then people should be filled a zeal about living its laws and investigating its ideas. BYU should have a whole department dedicated to understanding how "spiritual sense" works. And there by and large isn't that. I think apathy is the most important of many factors that explains that, but I think that also means people aren't taking it that seriously. Like I said. Going with the flow. Obviously I don't know for sure without a study that hasn't and isn't being done, but that's my sense of what's going on.

[_Buffalo]

Oh, come now, Droopy. You are capable of better.

Oh, much better,

CFR

[_Droopy]

Yep. Because that's what Mormons do. That's the culture. It's easy to participate in the interests and attitudes of your social circle. There's a difference between that and putting effort into systematic investigation. The LDS Church already tells you how to investigate and what to find. It's pretty simple.

You have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about, but certain it is that this has never stopped you in the past.

I've seen countless people, especially staunch conservatives, bleat on and on about professing love of the US constitution and the need to stick closely to it while quite clearly not having a basic grasp of the document.

Yeah right E. Tell us all about it.

This coin has an opposite side. If the LDS Church was what it claimed to be, then people should be filled a zeal about living its laws and investigating its ideas.

Faithful, valiant members already are. Who else?

[_schreech]

CFR

Lol...I can't tell if droopy has a man-crush on Kevin or if he is just jealous that Kevin actually has real, persuasive, arguments/communication skills that seem to escape droopy's limited intellect...either way, its funny to watch...

[_Buffalo]

CFR

Lol...I can't tell if droopy has a man-crush on Kevin or if he is just jealous that Kevin actually has real, persuasive, arguments/communication skills that seem to escape droopy's limited intellect...either way, its funny to watch...

If droopy could do something beside spew word salad, he would have by now. It IS fun to watch. It reminds me of

[_zeezrom]

EA,

Discovering the truth about Mormonism is not rocket science. Using Google and a couple of links from Uncle Dale, you can figure it all out with very little (relative) effort.

My Dad does a lot of research as he prepares for each class he teaches in High Priests quorum.

It is not apathy.

Zee

[_EAllusion]

You have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about, but certain it is that this has never stopped you in the past.

Terribly substantive Droopy.

Yeah right E. Tell us all about it.

Here's GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain arguing the federal government has no jurisdiction over bankruptsy law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWCK3L0x7Q8

He apparently didn't get past the first Article of the Constitution. And yet, he loves to go and and on about the importance of the Constitution and fidelity to it.

Here he is combining his ignorance of the document with his love of what he imagines it to be.

We don't need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. ... And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those who are not going to read it because they don't want us to go by the Constitution, there's a little section in there that talks about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believed in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," don't stop there, keep reading. Cause that's when it says "when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." We've got some altering and some abolishing to do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8xgvhz_0E
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/ ... stitution/

Happens all the time Droopy. All the time. That onion article I linked was satirizing something real.

[_Molok]

Does everything produced by the LDS church have to be so damn sugary sweet it borders on sickening?? I feel like I should brush my teeth after watching that movie. And yes, it is absurd to open the film with the "based on true events" blurb and then portray Joseph Smith as Jesus 2.0. Do Mormons realize how ridiculous these characterizations are?