LDS Nursery lessons changed because people were leaving?

[_Yoda]

I was in the nursery for many years, and what The Nehor said was basically right. The kids play with toys, you share a short "message" and that's it.

As a student? It must have been frustrating not graduating with your friends. How old were you when you finally got out?

LOL! I think that sometimes we all act like we're still in Nursery! :-)

Actually, I wouldn't mind getting my snack and an afternoon nap!

[_harmony]

But no parent is perfect, and if you allow your children to be indoctrinated, or even exposed to indoctrination in a demonstrably false religion, then that's an area where your imperfection as a parent reveals itself. I don't know how to sugarcoat that, and I'd like to break it to you as gently as possible because I genuinely like you, liz. But it is what it is.

You don't get to decide how other parents raise their children. You may not agree, but your worldview is no more psychologically healthy or sociologically sound than any other parent who is trying to instill a sense of values in their child.

Nobody died and made you Head Parent.

[_Some Schmo]

You don't get to decide how other parents raise their children.

Don't remember claiming I did.

You may not agree, but your worldview is no more psychologically healthy or sociologically sound than any other parent who is trying to instill a sense of values in their child.

Says you. When I consider the source of this statement, I find it difficult to be moved by it.

Suggesting that indoctrinating a child with BS is akin to "trying to instill a sense of values in their child" is like suggesting letting your kid watch MTV is "trying to find a good babysitter."

Nobody died and made you Head Parent.

More's the pity.

[_Yoda]

..letting your kid watch MTV is "trying to find a good babysitter."

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[_harmony]

You don't get to decide how other parents raise their children.

Don't remember claiming I did.

If only...

You may not agree, but your worldview is no more psychologically healthy or sociologically sound than any other parent who is trying to instill a sense of values in their child.

Says you. When I consider the source of this statement, I find it difficult to be moved by it.

Which still doesn't make me wrong.

Suggesting that indoctrinating a child with BS is akin to "trying to instill a sense of values in their child" is like suggesting letting your kid watch MTV is "trying to find a good babysitter."

And yet generations upon generations have done it just this way. And the species still lives on. How can this be? Oh wait... yeah... because it works.

[_Buffalo]

And yet generations upon generations have done it just this way. And the species still lives on. How can this be? Oh wait... yeah... because it works.

Have done it what way? The way they're doing it now in nursery and primary?

[_harmony]

And yet generations upon generations have done it just this way. And the species still lives on. How can this be? Oh wait... yeah... because it works.

Have done it what way? The way they're doing it now in nursery and primary?

Parents have taught their children the values they wanted them to have.

[_Buffalo]

Parents have taught their children the values they wanted them to have.

Well, yes, that's true. But I'm not sure how that's meaningful to the point being discussed - I think the topic is more hard-core, rigid religious indoctrination.

[_Some Schmo]

Which still doesn't make me wrong.

Nope, the content of what you wrote makes you wrong despite your assertions to the contrary.

Suggesting that indoctrinating a child with BS is akin to "trying to instill a sense of values in their child" is like suggesting letting your kid watch MTV is "trying to find a good babysitter."

And yet generations upon generations have done it just this way. And the species still lives on. How can this be? Oh wait... yeah... because it works.

LOL... Oh yeah, because our species hasn't gone extinct by it means it's working. Do you still wonder why I find your comments dubious?

Generations upon generations of kids have been beaten by their parents too, and the species still lives on. How can this be?

Oh yeah, because our ancestors weren't as enlightened as we are... but we can still improve upon what they did. Tradition isn't exactly the best way to determine what we should and shouldn't do.

Generations upon generations of people owned slaves. Does that mean it worked? I suppose. Our species is still around. According to harmony logic, that means slavery is the way to go.

[_Yoda]

Parents have taught their children the values they wanted them to have.

Well, yes, that's true. But I'm not sure how that's meaningful to the point being discussed - I think the topic is more hard-core, rigid religious indoctrination.

The question on the table is...

Do you feel that parents who allow their kids to attend Primary and Nursery are abusing their children?

Schmo believes they are.

I believe they are not.

It goes back to whether or not you believe that LDS indoctrination is abusive.

Schmo has actually taken it a step further. He believes that ALL religious indoctrination is abusive.

To me, the term, "abusive", is a pretty strong adjective.

I could possibly go along with...."maybe not such a good idea in some cases"....but "abusive"....No. We agree to disagree on that point.

(I still like you, though, Schmo. LOL)