The MADB Body Count

[_stemelbow]

If you think the gospel = the church, you don't get "it" at all.

Nice try, Harmony. I've been pretty clear on this, not that I expect anyone to read my posts out of obligation, but rest assured I do not think the gospel=the Church.

Start asking apologists doubting questions and you will see how rude they can be.

Nice try, Rambo. I don't think you have a clue what I've been up to over the years. Granted I haven't done much of that here, but I've done it many times in many venues.

Anyway, I'm not convinced you allow yourself to rationally look at these issues - you always seem to favor that which is more faith promoting over that which is most probable and which best fits the evidence. But, like I say, I think you're a cool cat anyway.

That's cool and quite nice, Buffalo. I admit at first you seemed quite annoying to me, but not so much any more. As we grow we learn to appreciate others. I'm also not convinced you allow yourself to rationally look at these issues either. Many of the examples you use in your critiques are just going overboard.

I'm hopping you don't think that about people like Runtu.

I certainly didn't have Runtu in mind. To be fair to Runtu he has apologized for every thing, I can think of, that he ever did to me. I realize it takes a big man to do that--particularly since I'm so annonymous and, frankly, ineffective in these conversations. I mean very little int the game and its nice that even I am thought of enough by someone to warrant an apology. He's definitely a good person.

[_consiglieri]

. . . the only LDS person I can think of that has treated me in any way rudely is Will.

*ahem*

[_stemelbow]

*ahem*

Well, consiglieri, I didn't expect you to read this little rant of mine, so I thought I'd get away with not mentioning you. Oh well, I've been busted.

[_Buffalo]

Anyway, I'm not convinced you allow yourself to rationally look at these issues - you always seem to favor that which is more faith promoting over that which is most probable and which best fits the evidence. But, like I say, I think you're a cool cat anyway.

That's cool and quite nice, Buffalo. I admit at first you seemed quite annoying to me, but not so much any more. As we grow we learn to appreciate others. I'm also not convinced you allow yourself to rationally look at these issues either. Many of the examples you use in your critiques are just going overboard.

I'll give a specific example - native American DNA. You take the fringe position, preferring remote possibility over the overwhelming probability from the entirety of the evidence, which yields a zero so far for any middle eastern migrations, pre-Columbus.

[_stemelbow]

I'll give a specific example - native American DNA. You take the fringe position, preferring remote possibility over the overwhelming probability from the entirety of the evidence, which yields a zero so far for any middle eastern migrations, pre-Columbus.

No doubt, you got me there.

[_Buffalo]

I'll give a specific example - native American DNA. You take the fringe position, preferring remote possibility over the overwhelming probability from the entirety of the evidence, which yields a zero so far for any middle eastern migrations, pre-Columbus.

No doubt, you got me there.

And your ability to admit that is part of what makes you a cool cat :)

[_Themis]

These types of threads can only strengthen my resolve to faith. I don't want any part of the bitterness that these types of threads demonstrate (particularly since they become so transparent)--how miserable.

You seem to be giving the same kind of excuse for gaining faith that a few critics give for losing faith. Interesting.

I certainly didn't have Runtu in mind. To be fair to Runtu he has apologized for every thing, I can think of, that he ever did to me.

Runtu apologies a lot for things he never really did. I am not aware that he has treated you unfairly.

[_stemelbow]

You seem to be giving the same kind of excuse for gaining faith that a few critics give for losing faith. Interesting.

No gaining faith, per se. Just resolve to my faith. you see, if my faith is bad, if my beliefs are pointless or unhelpful then I'd appreciate seeing what is the alternative. When the presented alternative appears to be nothing but misery I feel strengthened in my faith.

[_Themis]

No gaining faith, per se. Just resolve to my faith. you see, if my faith is bad, if my beliefs are pointless or unhelpful then I'd appreciate seeing what is the alternative. When the presented alternative appears to be nothing but misery I feel strengthened in my faith.

It still works out to be the same thing, and I think you see what you want to see. I can see both, and there are lots of very positives I see from former believers that you apparently cannot. To bad.

[_stemelbow]

It still works out to be the same thing, and I think you see what you want to see. I can see both, and there are lots of very positives I see from former believers that you apparently cannot. To bad.

You mean "Too bad". Just playing around. I can see positives from former believers too. In some cases I choose to see the negatives they expose and say to myself, "that's not what i want". That's all.