Fanny Alger

[_Simon Belmont]

My comments in my blog do not address or answer any of the issues posed by the OP.

No, your comments don't address them. Mine do:

We know very little about this relationship, or even if it occured.
No first or second hand accounts. Only third hand accounts.

[_why me]

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Why me doesn't think horn dogs can hide their horn doggedness since they must always be going around with his tongue half out. I kinda get a kick out of his BS, although he did flee another thread where I showed that I had said the opposite of what he accused me of. :)

I think that women are rather intelligent when it comes to this. Most women know when a man just wants sex. But what I am saying is that these women did not speak a bad word about Joseph Smith. And that is a major point. Now if just 10 or even 5 of them did say that Joseph Smith was a lustful dog I think that we would have a problem. Joseph Smith had wonderful luck. Not only did he find 11 witnesses who kept to their story but he also found 30 or so women to be sealed to who never said a negative word about him. Strange to be sure.

[_why me]

Forgive me for ranting. Sometimes the sheer weight of the BS gets me down. I understand that historical documentation is very important and possibly the only way one could convince the faithful that they have been conned, but isn't it just obvious that Joseph Smith was truly a horn dog? He used his specious authority as a religious leader to pander to his lustful desires (just as many other dubious religious leaders have done).

I feel better now. Thanks

Horn dogs usually get caught out. Tiger got caugt. Jimmy Swaggert got caught. John Edwards got caught. Elliot Spitzer got caught. Bill Clinton got caught. Etc. Joseph Smith did not get caught. Was he a horndog? The evidence says otherwise. We have no idea about his relationship with these women. But we do know that these women did not think that he was a horndog. They would have said something if they did believe so.

[_truth dancer]

Why Me,

Do you think Warren Jeffs is a prophet or that his abuse of girls and women is of God because eighty or so girls and women in his harem do not think he is a horn dog? Can you find the moms and dads of all these girls who are denying that Jeffs is a prophet?

How about all the other cult and religious leaders who claim God is demanding/commanding they have sex with girls and women?

Really Walmart, this line of thinking is nonsense. Devoted followers and True Believers support their leader. They just do. And yes, people can keep secrets when they feel their lives are dependent on it, or it is God's will.

It is amazing what people will believe, how they will trust, and what they will do when they truly believe their leader has been called of God.

~td~

[_harmony]

Horn dogs usually get caught out.

But you don't know how many got away. So for all you know, .01% get caught.

[_Themis]

I think that women are rather intelligent when it comes to this. Most women know when a man just wants sex.

One wonders then how all these guys manage to get sex. LOL

But what I am saying is that these women did not speak a bad word about Joseph Smith. And that is a major point.

We don't really know what many of them think. I think Fanny would not talk about it.

Now if just 10 or even 5 of them did say that Joseph Smith was a lustful dog I think that we would have a problem.

Why must Joseph be a lustful dog or a saint in this area?

Joseph Smith had wonderful luck. Not only did he find 11 witnesses who kept to their story but he also found 30 or so women to be sealed to who never said a negative word about him. Strange to be sure.

He had several who did make negative remarks about him. The 11 witnesses did not keep to their story very well.

Horn dogs usually get caught out. Tiger got caugt. Jimmy Swaggert got caught. John Edwards got caught. Elliot Spitzer got caught. Bill Clinton got caught. Etc. Joseph Smith did not get caught.

So by your logic if we don't see anyone who got away with it, they must not exist. by the way Joseph did get caught. More then once, but then maybe Emma threw fanny out for shoddy work. Many of his wives admit sexual intercourse with Joseph.

Was he a horndog? The evidence says otherwise.

I don't think Joseph was a horn-dog. I think sex played a big part, but was certainly not all of it, and I think he invoked God throughout as most religious leaders do to get sexual access.

We have no idea about his relationship with these women.

We know many involved sex.

But we do know that these women did not think that he was a horndog. They would have said something if they did believe so.

Why is most of what you say unsubstantiated assertions, and I think your use of horn-dog is just a straw-man. We know Joseph was having sex with many of his wives. Emma was certainly not happy about Fanny. I think Emma may not have thought to highly of Joseph behavior here.

[_DarkHelmet]

Didn't several women speak out against Joseph's advances, only to have him call them liars and sluts? I think whyme is making stuff up again.

[_Themis]

Didn't several women speak out against Joseph's advances, only to have him call them liars and sluts? I think whyme is making stuff up again.

LOL he does make most of this stuff up. In another thread he accused me of something that in the very thread thread I had already said the opposite. He then fled the thread and hasn't been back since.

[_Quasimodo]

Horn dogs usually get caught out. Tiger got caugt. Jimmy Swaggert got caught. John Edwards got caught. Elliot Spitzer got caught. Bill Clinton got caught. Etc. Joseph Smith did not get caught. Was he a horndog? The evidence says otherwise. We have no idea about his relationship with these women. But we do know that these women did not think that he was a horndog. They would have said something if they did believe so.

All those horn dogs were exposed by the media. Didn't Joseph Smith order the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor for exposing his polygamist relations? I think he was exposed in the same way.

[_sock puppet]

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Why me doesn't think horn dogs can hide their horn doggedness since they must always be going around with his tongue half out. I kinda get a kick out of his BS, although he did flee another thread where I showed that I had said the opposite of what he accused me of. :)

I think that women are rather intelligent when it comes to this. Most women know when a man just wants sex. But what I am saying is that these women did not speak a bad word about Joseph Smith. And that is a major point. Now if just 10 or even 5 of them did say that Joseph Smith was a lustful dog I think that we would have a problem. Joseph Smith had wonderful luck. Not only did he find 11 witnesses who kept to their story but he also found 30 or so women to be sealed to who never said a negative word about him. Strange to be sure.

CFR that it was accepted by the society of mid-America in the 1830s and 1840s to say anything that would be recorded about a man's--not just any man's but their religious leader's--sexual appetites. You, why me, seem to make a lot of hay out of this, but you've not established the premise which you have merely assumed. The lack of evidence of Fanny Alger or any of JSJr's other female conquests complaining he was, in your words, a horn dog, is not evidence to that they did not think that very thing of him.

Give examples of women in and about Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Iowa in the 1830s and 1840s describing men who are religious leaders that these women had been with as lust-driven, horn dogs, or the like. Then, and only then, might you have a point.